Is Drake on the same level as Jay Z?

[Nemesis]

You think Jay was that guy before he was famous? The same Jay of hawaian sophe fame and the one who was gettin chased outta Marcy Projects

The same Jay that shot his brother, hung with Kane , hustled with Dehaven .... brought a sack of money to Hot 97 to make them play his records.......

same Jay that set up his own record label when he couldnt get a deal, rather than sign with a dude signed to another dude signed to another dude...

yeah that Jay...

 

[mobbinfms]

50 sold 12 million records worldwide. You're purposely trying to use US numbers so you can put 50 and Jay on the same level when it's obvious 50 Cent had more popularity.

I'm using US numbers because international numbers are irrelevant.
Unless you really want to argue internationally who was bigger? In which case I have no idea or interest.

X sold 7 million records in 1998 with Blood of My Blood, Flesh of my Flesh and It's Dark and Hell Is Hot.

No he didn't. After Hard Knock Life dropped Jay was bigger.

Then in 1999, he sold 5 million records with And Then There Was X.

Yes. This is the point where X was bigger. But it would be short lived.

And he was in a bunch of movies (Exit Wounds, Belly, Romeo Must Die).

Who cares.

From 98 - 2001, Jay-Z sold 12 million records in the US. From 98 - 2001, DMX sold 14 million records in the US and was in three different movies. So....what is your argument here

This is misleading. In 98 and 99, Jay was the sales king with Hard Knock Life. Then when they both dropped albums in December of 1999, X took the sales crown. And you are ignoring that Jay dropped Blue print in 2001 and X album that year only went plat. He was already done.

Ja Rule sold 6 million records worldwide on his best selling album, an

What did HKL sell worldwide?

Jay-Z sold the least out of all of them......so what is your fukking point

That you shouldn't be comparing Jay to them.

How can he be the "Drake" of his time when everybody was selling more than him dipshyt?

Now everybody was selling more than him? :tochilol:

 

[Deucage]

So Take Care doesn't exist huh?

Can't believe that you dared respond to me with that bullshyt

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

Video has got me comparing the two and I honestly cant think of a good reason why Drake won't see himself as the new Jay.

He has the wittiness of Jay in his lyrics

His flow is as good and in my opinion better than Jay

His catalogue is as good as Jay Z's when he was at the same stage

So is Drake right? Is he the new Jay?

I'm sure there are other similarities between the two that I have overlooked but I will let ya'll bring it up

mods please bring rep back

 

[MusicConsulting]

I thought he had a stronger catalogue too but I didn't say it because I thought I would be the only one.lol

So that's Drizzy having a better flow and catalogue than Jay.

I think the title of the thread should be in what way is Jay Z better than Drake

Drake has a strong catalog when you are comparing it to Chingy,Ja Rule not Jay Z. What are you smoking,really?

But really his shyt is mostly phoned in "Mama i made it, I will do this for the city, I got a ton of money" And the flow is narcoleptic.
They are average as fukk rhymes, OP. And most of it isn't his, it's boring as fukk, lifeless,bad acting and just hollow as fukk. You really are impressed by this?

But when you compare it to others? He can't stand with them, especially with the ones who are just army of one.


Drake is definitely not in any shape form, could he take on any of these guys below.

Flows/Writing/Voice/Production/Originality/Production/Arrangement/entertainment

Drake is like the kid in school you know is talented but he spends way too much time talking about himself & always skipping over the superior gifted artists that kill him because he's envious of them .

"Hey guys I'm the best I beat Meek. Philly can't fukk with me"
Meanwhile....

Tariq will outsing/outwrite/outperform/outflow & just pull out Drakes endtrails and leave him dying there saying "Yea...yea.........yea........ uh....yea"

He's close to 50 and he will dowse Drake in every category & Jay Z too. He could probably do it sitting down.



In any era, Drake will get done up. Tariq is almost 50 and he can take ya boy and leave him stammering.
Tariq is
Funnier
more melodic
Hooks for days
Flows like crazy

Even Meek knows it:



Notice him walking out the video shoot & kept going

Now compare it to this fraud:

 

[B. Pumpaveli]

The same Jay that shot his brother, hung with Kane , hustled with Dehaven .... brought a sack of money to Hot 97 to make them play his records.......

same Jay that set up his own record label when he couldnt get a deal, rather than sign with a dude signed to another dude signed to another dude...

yeah that Jay...

oh u mean the same Jay that has whiskers like a rat and tried to take the blame for stabbing un

 

[MusicConsulting]

Drake has been out for 6 yrs & has enough hits for a two hour show

If he has about 3 more solid albums, he will be on Jay's level musically

They aren't his songs and that's why he can't be included in Lyricist category. Entertainer, sure. But not, top lyricist, sorry.

 

[mobbinfms]

Okay, smart ass. If someone sells 5 million records in the US and 1 million overseas and another artist sells 5 million records in the US and 10 million overseas, who will the media push harder? Quick. Answer that question without deflecting.

US Media?
Or International media?
I really don't know to what extent, if at all, international sales influences US media coverage.

 

[mobbinfms]

@Rapmastermind You are a special kind of stupid.

Stop pretending as if you are objective or that your paragraphs came from the top of a mountain

@Rapmastermind post was all fax
Why you mad?

 

[CrimsonTider]

@Rapmastermind post was all fax
Why you mad?

No objective person thinks that Nellly or Ja Rule were bigger than Drake or had better careers.

We are at the point now where only Jay z has had a better career than Drake and you can put Kanye and Wayne in the convo for fun

 

[mobbinfms]

No objective person thinks that Nellly or Ja Rule were bigger than Drake or had better careers.

We are at the point now where only Jay z has had a better career than Drake and you can put Kanye and Wayne in the convo for fun

Where did he say they were bigger than Drake?
He said he'd rank them over Drake because of the ghostwriter controversy and he thinks that their best album is better than Drakes. Is that your basis for the "career" comment?

 

[CrimsonTider]

Where did he say they were bigger than Drake?
He said he'd rank them over Drake because of the ghostwriter controversy and he thinks that their best album is better than Drakes. Is that your basis for the "career" comment?

What does the ghostwriter controversy have to do with anything. Thats why I said he wasn't being objective.

 

[mobbinfms]

What does the ghostwriter controversy have to do with anything. Thats why I said he wasn't being objective.

Outside of this most recent generation of rap fans, it's a big deal.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Outside of this most recent generation of rap fans, it's a big deal.

Its only a big deal to people that felt Drake was encroaching on what they have built up rap to be in the 1st place.

 

[mobbinfms]

Its only a big deal to people that felt Drake was encroaching on what they have built up rap to be in the 1st place.

That's really vague. What are you trying to say?