Is Drake on the same level as Jay Z?

[Rapmastermind]

"One Dance" = 10 Weeks at #1 hot 100

Which is fantastic for him but other rappers have done it:

"Gold Digger" 10 Weeks at #1
"Low" 10 weeks at #1
"I'll Be Missing You" 11 Weeks at #1
"Not Afriad" 12 Weeks at #1
"See You Again" 12 Weeks at #1
"I got a feeling" 14 weeks at #1

 

[ISO]

drake spit 32 bars and it was all average, he got overpowered by the beat and sounded out of place. Drake would kill that beat now though since his delivery improved. Ross actually sounded like he belonged on that track

and yes I know I'm in the majority

You know what I meant by 10 sunshines. You think people wouldve been ok with jay making a song like crew love or take care? You can't compare jay and drake when it comes to music, drake a completely different artists who sings and doesnt make complete rap projects.

Those songs are ok but they can stay in 2011. Definitely not listening to Headlines, HYFR or shot for me in 2016.

Man, no he didn't. I meant to say minority I'll leave it at that though I ain't arguing about that. That "I'm a descendant of Marley and Hendrix" and "nikkas who don't get p*ssy are the ones to overlook me" shyt was fire.

Sunshine is a track with a trash beat and hook and completely out of place and a blatant pop attempt. Crew Love is flames and Drake is rapping on there it's an R&B/hip hop collab nothing out the ordinary. At the end of the day I'm judging the musical product whether one sings or not don't matter, his albums/tapes are mostly rap too.

Those are all good songs even classics to some people.

 

[hex]

"One Dance" = 10 Weeks at #1 hot 100

Which is fantastic for him but other rappers have done it:

"Gold Digger" 10 Weeks at #1
"Low" 10 weeks at #1
"I'll Be Missing You" 11 Weeks at #1
"Not Afriad" 12 Weeks at #1
"See You Again" 12 Weeks at #1
"I got a feeling" 14 weeks at #1

Not to mention "One Dance" is not even a fukking rap song.

Fred.

 

[wingstop]

Man, no he didn't. I meant to say minority I'll leave it at that though I ain't arguing about that. That "I'm a descendant of Marley and Hendrix" and "nikkas who don't get p*ssy are the ones to overlook me" shyt was fire.

Sunshine is a track with a trash beat and hook and completely out of place and a blatant pop attempt. Crew Love is flames and Drake is rapping on there it's an R&B/hip hop collab nothing out the ordinary. At the end of the day I'm judging the musical product whether one sings or not don't matter, his albums/tapes are mostly rap too.

Those are all good songs even classics to some people.

vol 1 still wins, those take care songs arent coming close to these

Intro / A Million And One Questions / Rhyme No More
Imaginary Player
Streets is watching
Friend or foe 98
Lucky me
where im from
You Must love me

I know youre a nas stan, nas is my favorite rapper too but vol 1 is lowkey better than a lot of his discography too. It's nothing to be ashamed of

 

[Czerka]

A lot of those numbers are inflated by the new streaming rules. But I'll let it slide due to inflation. Here's a fact for you:

Nelly's first certified album: 2000
Nelly's last certified album: 2008

=8 years

That's 8 years of success at the bare mininum. Let's look at some of the other rappers I mentioned:

50 Cent First certified album: 2003
50 Cent Last certified album: 2009

=6 years

Ludacris first certified album: 2000
Ludacris last certified album: 2010

=10 years

T.I. First certified album 2003
T.I. Last certified album: 2012

= 9 years

Ja Rule first certified album: 1999
Ja Rule last certified album: 2004

= 5 years

KanYe West first certified album: 2004
KanYe West last certified album: 2016

= 12 Years



Again Drake is in their teir, he is not in Jay Z Teir which is a GOAT Teir. He's not even better than Kanye West so please. Just so were clear:


Jay Z first certified album: 1996
Jay Z last certified ablum: 2013

=17 years.


Drake has had success since 09 but he has not be the "Top" rapper for 7 years straight.

You're playing with the numbers though. Nelly wasn't a top rapper for 8 years. More like 4. 50 was already washed up at 09. With most of these guys your using certifications. But with historically successful artists, theyll get certified just cause of their name on the project. Doesn't mean they are still dominating the culture

 

[CrimsonTider]

A lot of those numbers are inflated by the new streaming rules. But I'll let it slide due to inflation. Here's a fact for you:

Nelly's first certified album: 2000
Nelly's last certified album: 2008

=8 years

That's 8 years of success at the bare mininum. Let's look at some of the other rappers I mentioned:

50 Cent First certified album: 2003
50 Cent Last certified album: 2009

=6 years

Ludacris first certified album: 2000
Ludacris last certified album: 2010

=10 years

T.I. First certified album 2003
T.I. Last certified album: 2012

= 9 years

Ja Rule first certified album: 1999
Ja Rule last certified album: 2004

= 5 years

KanYe West first certified album: 2004
KanYe West last certified album: 2016

= 12 Years



Again Drake is in their teir, he is not in Jay Z Teir which is a GOAT Teir. He's not even better than Kanye West so please. Just so were clear:


Jay Z first certified album: 1996
Jay Z last certified ablum: 2013

=17 years.


Drake has had success since 09 but he has not be the "Top" rapper for 7 years straight.

You are arguing just to win an argument man, come on

Nelly, 50 cent, Luda and TI were not at the top of rap all those years like Drake has. from 09 to now Drake has been the MAN in rap. you can't say that for those artist you named.

And What do the new streaming rules have to do with it? It was easier to go plat back then.

And Albums sales are not the only metric of success.

As I said, None of those rappers have toured as successfully as Drake. Where are there arena tours? Drake sold out MSG for 4 nights straights

 

[CrimsonTider]

You're playing with the numbers though. Nelly wasn't a top rapper for 8 years. More like 4. 50 was already washed up at 09. With most of these guys your using certifications. But with historically successful artists, theyll get certified just cause of their name on the project. Doesn't mean they are still dominating the culture

Exactly bruh. He's just trying to win an argument.

This thread is about Jay z, Which is synonymous with consistency year in and out. Name rappers outside of Jay and Drake who have done it every single year like they have @Rapmastermind

 

[Rapmastermind]

You're playing with the numbers though. Nelly wasn't a top rapper for 8 years. More like 4. 50 was already washed up at 09. With most of these guys your using certifications. But with historically successful artists, theyll get certified just cause of their name on the project. Doesn't mean they are still dominating the culture

Exactly bruh. He's just trying to win an argument.

This thread is about Jay z, Which is synonymous with consistency year in and out. Name rappers outside of Jay and Drake who have done it every single year like they have @Rapmastermind

Drake has not been the "Top" rapper nor "Dominated" the culture these last 7 years either. Eminem and Wayne outsold him in head to head years. Also don't downplay the fact rappers are still getting plaques late into their careers. That proves their relevence that they can continue to sell long after their debut albums. You guys are trying use an argument that "Drake has been the hot for 7 years" but not the fact Nelly and T.I. etc can still move units 10 years into their careers?. Last time I check you have to hot to move units. This thread has yet to prove how Drake is on Jay's level at all? Which he isn't.

 

[Czerka]

Drake has not been the "Top" rapper nor "Dominated" the culture these last 7 years either. Eminem and Wayne outsold him in head to head years. Also don't downplay the fact rappers are still getting plaques late into their careers. That proves their relevence that they can continue to sell long after their debut albums.

Eminem is getting by on his name, not dominating shyt, whens the last time he's had a big rap feature? Smack that? Em is making recycled pop rap music now, I bet even he knows that, he's emeritus status like Jay, but the key demo doesn't care about him like they do Drake or j Cole

I'll give Wayne 09-11 but I'd say Drake was at his level, Drake was everywhere his freshman year. He dipped off a little with the TML era but once the take care era started it was a wrap. You have to give him 11-16 at minimum.

 

[Czerka]

Drake has not been the "Top" rapper nor "Dominated" the culture these last 7 years either. Eminem and Wayne outsold him in head to head years. Also don't downplay the fact rappers are still getting plaques late into their careers. That proves their relevence that they can continue to sell long after their debut albums. You guys are trying use an argument that "Drake has been the hot for 7 years" but not the fact Nelly and T.I. etc can still move units 10 years into their careers?. Last time I check you have to hot to move units. This thread has yet to prove how Drake is on Jay's level at all? Which he isn't.

You telling me with a straight face that nelly was hot in 2008? I can't even remember the name of that album

 

[CrimsonTider]

Drake has not been the "Top" rapper nor "Dominated" the culture these last 7 years either. Eminem and Wayne outsold him in head to head years. Also don't downplay the fact rappers are still getting plaques late into their careers. That proves their relevence that they can continue to sell long after their debut albums. You guys are trying use an argument that "Drake has been the hot for 7 years" but not the fact Nelly and T.I. etc can still move units 10 years into their careers?. Last time I check you have to hot to move units. This thread has yet to prove how Drake is on Jay's level at all? Which he isn't.

Selling records don't prove relevance like your are claiming.

Singles charting and tour performance is much better barometer of relevance.

you have to admit that you are an old head and not in tuned with whats hot today amongst mainstream rap.

TI and Nelly at their Peak could never sell out MSG... let alone do it for 4 nights in a row. In this day in age touring >>>>>> Selling records.

 

[mobbinfms]

Nelly had a 2 album run.

Drake has been the biggest thing in rap from 2009 to now.

By what meaure was he the biggest thing in rap up until the past two years?

How is Take Care inconsistent, I'd remove 2 tracks out of 20. I'd remove Make Me Proud and We'll Be Fine, they aren't bad songs just average filler.

In My Lifetime has I Know What Girls Like and Sunshine

Vol. 1 wasn't even well received

I can't get through Take Care. Some of the songs are amAzing though.

To take it further.

Take Care will be talked about like the Blueprint.

Views will be talked about like Vol 2

At the end of the day I'm judging the musical product whether one sings or not don't matter,

How could it not?

But with historically successful artists, theyll get certified just cause of their name on the project

 

[Deucage]

To take it further.

Take Care will be talked about like the Blueprint.

Views will be talked about like Vol 2

 

[ISO]

vol 1 still wins, those take care songs arent coming close to these

Intro / A Million And One Questions / Rhyme No More
Imaginary Player
Streets is watching
Friend or foe 98
Lucky me
where im from
You Must love me

I know youre a nas stan, nas is my favorite rapper too but vol 1 is lowkey better than a lot of his discography too. It's nothing to be ashamed of

Jay is my second G.O.A.T., Vol. 1 is one of my favorite Hov albums because of the highs it's about as good as Nas' I Am... IMO. They have classic songs, but some poor beats, and pop attempts/radio formula tracks bring them down.

I think Take Care is better than both, I think it's a better listening experience top to bottom, well-crafted, just a really good body of work.

 

[Czerka]

By what meaure was he the biggest thing in rap up until the past two years?

I can't get through Take Care. Some of the songs are amAzing though.



How could it not?

People will buy nellys album just cause it's a nelly album. Nelly had no hits on that album and probably couldn't tour off it. No impact on the culture.