IS EVOLUTION PROOF THAT...

[nineteeneightysix]

"intelligence" doesn't exist, and it is just one of those concepts such as racism that Humans created to just their need for malfeasance against other Humans...?

1) I currently taking a Medical Embryology course, and this knowledge really has me thinking about Humanity and the Bullshat we are brainwashed to believe...How?

2) Evolution proposes that there is NO intelligent design...Just a series of random interactions that have been occurring for possibly billions of years...?

Doesn't this proposition ultimately means that there is NO intelligence (outside personal opinion)?

3) Think about it...A sperm doesn't have a brain, motive or intention...It is designed to randomly travel until it dies or makes contact with an egg...

There is no intelligence...Just a series interactions that require a specified context...

4) From the time a sperm fertilizes an egg, the two begin a series of chemical reactions that will last for an average of 77 years (if you are born in the USA in this generation)...

There is NO intelligence in that...Just chemical reactions in the right context...

5) Conclusion, intelligence is a myth...It doesn't exist...Life is a series of random chemical reactions, the reactions that are able to keep the organism alive longer so it can have sex and reproduce get passed on, those that don't produce anything get lost...

Science will set you free...

 

[ill]

Are you asking if intelligence is a man made concept? I'd say its like math. Its all around us but humans put a value/word to describe it. Intelligence is found in nature. Survival of the fittest is also survival of the most intelligent.

 

[MMS]

Are you asking if intelligence is a man made concept? I'd say its like math. Its all around us but humans put a value/word to describe it. Intelligence is found in nature. Survival of the fittest is also survival of the most intelligent.

most intelligent, or is it most adaptable...fitness isnt just physical

 

[ill]

most intelligent, or is it most adaptable...fitness isnt just physical

My personal opinion is its sort of the same thing. Basically if you're the "fittest" your mind has intellect that told it to become the biggest or strongest in order to survive. I view that as intelligence.

 

[MMS]

My personal opinion is its sort of the same thing. Basically if you're the "fittest" your mind has intellect that told it to become the biggest or strongest in order to survive. I view that as intelligence.

on the smallest of smallest levels

some bacteria move only by the effects of their environment, where others have locomotion

intelligence cant possibly be a part of the equation due to the lack of actual conscience for the cell. For instance lets expand on this idea in the other direction

suppose for a second that you and I are both made up of trillions of unconscious cells that in tandem create this "intelligence" that allows the super macro molecular being to operate and thrive.

suppose at the same time you as a person are a part of the US, which using our previous statement is in itself a life form consisting of millions of pseudo-unconscious parts (some people are more specialized, think skin vs a nerve cell ), doing your own independent function to allow the super macro-person being to operate and thrive

would you consider the US, as a country, as a sentient intelligent being?

 

[ill]

on the smallest of smallest levels

some bacteria move only by the effects of their environment, where others have locomotion

intelligence cant possibly be a part of the equation due to the lack of actual conscience for the cell. For instance lets expand on this idea in the other direction

suppose for a second that you and I are both made up of trillions of unconscious cells that in tandem create this "intelligence" that allows the super macro molecular being to operate and thrive.

suppose at the same time you as a person are a part of the US, which using our previous statement is in itself a life form consisting of millions of pseudo-unconscious parts (some people are more specialized, think skin vs a nerve cell ), doing your own independent function to allow the super macro-person being to operate and thrive

would you consider the US, as a country, as a sentient intelligent being?

Yes, its an intelligent system rather than being categorized as an intelligent human. Same things really. All the inner workings of America are equal to the inner workings of the human body. When you put it all together you have a 'complete system'. While you may have individual parts, the sum of all of it would create something intelligent. Just my thoughts. I just smoked so don't take too much stock in it lol

 

[MMS]

Yes, its an intelligent system rather than being categorized as an intelligent human. Same things really. All the inner workings of America are equal to the inner workings of the human body. When you put it all together you have a 'complete system'. While you may have individual parts, the sum of all of it would create something intelligent. Just my thoughts. I just smoked so don't take too much stock in it lol

i feel that, im glad we're on the same page

however, on that same notion. Would the US be considered a life form using the same rules?

 

[ill]

i feel that, im glad we're on the same page

however, on that same notion. Would the US be considered a life form using the same rules?

I think thats a matter of relative perspective. Its certainly not a life form as it doesn't breath/have a beating heart. But it is an entity. I would say intelligence would come into play if you're looking at it through a nation building perspective. We would look at what the country does and how it adapts to changed in the global community. Those that outperform their peers would be intelligent.

 

[MMS]

I think thats a matter of relative perspective. Its certainly not a life form as it doesn't breath/have a beating heart. But it is an entity. I would say intelligence would come into play if you're looking at it through a nation building perspective. We would look at what the country does and how it adapts to changed in the global community. Those that outperform their peers would be intelligent.

could you say that the environment of a bacterium is awfully similar to the "biome community" on its own scale? or that you as a person have to interact with the "local community" on our own scale?

for cells, they have little opportunity to differentiate depending on what it split from....you could almost apply that to people too

 

[Blaze500]

Intelligence is purely subjective...and there are so many fields of intelligence....

like how can you even compare who is more intelligent....Albert Einstein or Malcom X?

they both have different intelligences

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Intelligence is purely subjective...and there are so many fields of intelligence....
like how can you even compare who is more intelligent....Albert Einstein or Malcom X?
they both have different intelligences

I am NOT stating that "they both have different intelligences" I am stating that "they are not intelligent" because evolution is a random process, and the molecules that make up the universe collide randomly within the context of the forces that present in the universe...

Essentially, Albert Einstein was a sperm with the correct chemical composition, in the right environment who behaved as a sperm in that environment does...

Same as anybody else...We are all behaving as we should...There is no intelligence (outside the human definition) dictating how we evolve and progress through the years...Just random chemical interactions...

 

[BocaRear]

I think first of all you need to define "Intelligence" OP, intelligence as in intelligent design? Or intellect as in what society perceives to be intelligent?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Humans wouldn't be doing shyt like sitting in class learning the details of the development of microscopic cells if it wasn't for intelligence.

If you found yourself in the woods, knowledge would keep you alive. Ignorance would kill you FAST.

 

[Amphibious]

Intelligence is ALWAYS relative to the enviroment and nothing more.

A doctor is no more smarter than a garbage man, they just do different tasks to gain their money.

Intelligence can really boil down to procreating, if you procreate a proper product in which survives and procreates, the intelligence is proven there.

Put a tiger and a human in a maze (separate sides), and a reward at the end of the maze to motivate the completion of such a contraption (theoretically of course). Depending on the obstacles you place forth in front of each organism, one may appear smart, and one may appear dumb.

 

[NZA]

intelligent being = desires specific outcomes and a sense of control
nature = has no desire

intelligent being =/= natural selection.

intelligent beings set goals, receive data about the obstacles in front of that goal, and then use that data to increase the likelihood of achieving those goals. intelligent beings even become distraught when failing to reach those goals. the setting of a goal and the reception of data are the antithesis of randomness. natural selection or evolution has no goal. life either keeps living or it doesnt but the universe, so to speak, does not appear to have the capacity to care like an intelligent being would

while sperm is not smart, sperm and egg combined become a being with a brain which is smart. what is "smart"? hard to say exactly, but like porn and art you will know it when you see it. one thing is certain, it tends to reject randomness when the stakes are high