IS EVOLUTION PROOF THAT...

[MMS]

intelligent being = desires specific outcomes and a sense of control
nature = has no desire

intelligent being =/= natural selection.

intelligent beings set goals, receive data about the obstacles in front of that goal, and then use that data to increase the likelihood of achieving those goals. intelligent beings even become distraught when failing to reach those goals. the setting of a goal and the reception of data are the antithesis of randomness. natural selection or evolution has no goal. life either keeps living or it doesnt but the universe, so to speak, does not appear to have the capacity to care like an intelligent being would

while sperm is not smart, sperm and egg combined become a being with a brain which is smart. what is "smart"? hard to say exactly, but like porn and art you will know it when you see it. one thing is certain, it tends to reject randomness when the stakes are high

"intelligent beings" as you put it, are purely a man-made construct. Most creatures innately have problem solving methods. We just happen to be the only large animal with extensive use of tools. Which comes from having opposable thumbs and larger brains. Intelligence doesnt mean books, tools, or math for that matter.

most people would die in the wilderness if civilization broke down. We may be highly specialized but not that many people are truly "intelligent" and furthermore what desires does man kind have that isnt shared by animals? are you saying we dont just wanna eat, fukk, and generally satisfy our brains cravings? Animals have all the same stimuli

 

[tmonster]

"intelligence" doesn't exist, and it is just one of those concepts such as racism that Humans created to just their need for malfeasance against other Humans...?

it's a conceptual measurement of the capacity of biological creatures to decipher indiscernible mechanisms and states in nature and, conceivably, guide the flow of energy through nature in order to effectuate desired outcomes through various mean.
just read about the history of the discovery of relativity and you will see that intelligence is a real thing

nice thread OP

 

[tmonster]

nature = has no desire

entropy would argue against that

 

[tmonster]

most people would die in the wilderness if civilization broke down.

why do y'all say this repeatedly?
we have already been vetted out of this reputation
we came from the wilderness before civilization existed
we created civilization to deal with the wilderness

this is what we do, we solve these problems

 

[NZA]

"intelligent beings" as you put it, are purely a man-made construct. Most creatures innately have problem solving methods. We just happen to be the only large animal with extensive use of tools. Which comes from having opposable thumbs and larger brains. Intelligence doesnt mean books, tools, or math for that matter.

most people would die in the wilderness if civilization broke down. We may be highly specialized but not that many people are truly "intelligent" and furthermore what desires does man kind have that isnt shared by animals? are you saying we dont just wanna eat, fukk, and generally satisfy our brains cravings? Animals have all the same stimuli

what are you talking about? i never said that humans were any different from animals, that's why i talk about beings instead of people. anything with a brain is intelligent to some degree

 

[NZA]

entropy would argue against that

intelligence is a property of brains, nature is not an entity with a brain. if an apple falls from a tree, that does not mean the ground wants the apple

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

That's the thing, your argument is based upon science. But science doesn't derive a correct answer, it just explains what it want it wants in its terms.

There's a such thing as intelligence, but I believe in the form of consciousness. To learn to be a doctor can be done, by a person who is not intelligent, in the sense of being conscious.

Of course there are those who can't be doctors, because of will (or self will) or a lack of ability to learn. But just because you're a doctor that doesn't make you some intellect. That's why there are good and bad doctors.

And the same goes for president.

 

[NZA]

That's the thing, your argument is based upon science. But science doesn't derive a correct answer, it just explains what it want it wants in its terms.

There's a such thing as intelligence, but I believe in the form of consciousness. To learn to be a doctor can be done, by a person who is not intelligent, in the sense of being conscious.

Of course there are those who can't be doctors, because of will (or self will) or a lack of ability to learn. But just because you're a doctor that doesn't make you some intellect. That's why there are good and bad doctors.

And the same goes for president.

you must be talking about dr ben carson

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

you must be talking about dr ben carson

Naw, I didn't hear what he said on the subject tbh.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

it's a conceptual measurement of the capacity of biological creatures to decipher indiscernible mechanisms and states in nature and, conceivably, guide the flow of energy through nature in order to effectuate desired outcomes through various mean.
just read about the history of the discovery of relativity and you will see that intelligence is a real thing

nice thread OP

1) That is a human definition...

2) Science and Technology DON'T prove universal intelligence...They are just a result of human physiology through years of evolution...The theory of evolution is essentially telling us that there is no intelligence just randomness that leads to more effective multiplication...

3) I understand intelligence from a Human perspective, but let us state you are an alien who has been educated on the concept of evolution...You are on the outside looking in on Earth, would human behavior look anymore purposeful than all the other creatures who are just trying to eat, stay safe and procreate...

 

[Blaze500]

so Darwin would agree or disagree with you?

 

[tmonster]

That is a human definition...

I will give up that claim if you can find non-humans to define it

 

[tmonster]

Science and Technology DON'T prove universal intelligence

if science strives to understand the universe then the intelligence of its wielder strives to be universal

You are on the outside looking in on Earth, would human behavior look anymore purposeful than all the other creatures who are just trying to eat, stay safe and procreate...

How does this help someone feed themselves?

or writing this

 

[Oville]

I think evolution is a general term for the change in species. The randomness your speaking of is associated with natural selection. I wouldnt be surprised if one day we find that we have greatly exaggerated the degree to which randomness contributes to evolution. There seems to be some growing evidence that matter itself might be an intelligent designer

 

[nineteeneightysix]

I think evolution is a general term for the change in species. The randomness your speaking of is associated with natural selection. I wouldnt be surprised if one day we find that we have greatly exaggerated the degree to which randomness contributes to evolution. There seems to be some growing evidence that matter itself might be an intelligent designer

Randomness is associated with the universe...This is the modern scientific thought...Randomness and probability...

"There seems to be some growing evidence that matter itself might be an intelligent designer" what does this even mean?