Is Ginobili top 10 SG of all time?

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Probably near the bottom of a top 20, if that.

Ginobili never had to carry a team like the rest of these guys (you could argue he never got that opportunity as well but :yeshrug:) and I can't imagine a Ginobili-centered team being any type of real threat in a playoff series.

You got, off the top of the head (no order)... Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter, George Gervin, Jerry West, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Clyde Drexler, Earl Monroe, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Joe Dumars, Sidney Moncrief, Mitch Richmond, Sam Jones historically, David Thompson... not to mention guys who played some shooting guard earlier in their careers but ended up mostly small forwards (McGrady, Pierce, etc.) I'm not sure if put into the same team situations that Ginobili would have been considered any better than Michael Finley, Michael Redd, or Joe Johnson.
 

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You right cause none of them have 4 rings like Manu do...

Sent Ray into witness protection and he so shook he won't outright say he will retire but he also won't come back and play right now cause he scared of this happening to him again

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Manu is not better than a prime Ray Allen. Stop it.

None of those guys played on the Spurs either with Popovich and Tim Duncan.
 
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Not trolling, there's nothing on a basketball court they could do that Manu couldn't.
What you mean like Drexler who averaged 20+ ppg for his entire career at near 50% shooting? :usure:
A prime Manu gives every SG named in this thread the business. Half of them dudes ain't got half of Manu's passing and playmaking skills, dude one of the best all-around SG's ever
No he doesn't. And this isn't just about primes, it's about what they've done over their careers. Like I said he's had an incredible HOF career, but he's also been in a more fortuitous situation than 99% of SGs in the modern era. If he didn't end up on a team with the greatest PF of all time, one of the the greatest coaches of all time and one of the most underrated players (Parkers) in recent memory, he wouldn't even have half the team success and yall wouldn't be speaking about him in this undeserving light.
 

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Manu has been just as clutch bruh. Lets be real, besides being a better shooter, what does Reggie do better than Manu?

Like dudes already said in here, carry a team.. you talkign about a dude who never averaged over 20ppg

nikkas in here really talkin about 4 rings, like he didnt average 9 points a game playing 30 mpg for one of those rings, and 14 ppg playing 25 for the other ones...
 

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What you mean like Drexler who averaged 20+ ppg for his entire career at near 50% shooting? :usure:

No he doesn't. And this isn't just about primes, it's about what they've done over their careers. Like I said he's had an incredible HOF career, but he's also been in a more fortuitous situation than 99% of SGs in the modern era. If he didn't end up on a team with the greatest PF of all time, one of the the greatest coaches of all time and one of the most underrated players (Parkers) in recent memory, he wouldn't even have half the team success and yall wouldn't be speaking about him in this undeserving light.

So I could say the same for Kobe, Wade, etc, no?
 

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What you mean like Drexler who averaged 20+ ppg for his entire career at near 50% shooting? :usure:

No he doesn't. And this isn't just about primes, it's about what they've done over their careers. Like I said he's had an incredible HOF career, but he's also been in a more fortuitous situation than 99% of SGs in the modern era. If he didn't end up on a team with the greatest PF of all time, one of the the greatest coaches of all time and one of the most underrated players (Parkers) in recent memory, he wouldn't even have half the team success and yall wouldn't be speaking about him in this undeserving light.
The Spurs were old, 4 years passed since their first title and constantly getting bytched out by LA in the playoffs before Manu came. The Spurs weren't this top flight, elite beloved organization when he got to SA. You can't say he wouldn't have the half the team success without the Spurs cause the Spurs don't get 4 more titles without him, his rookie year they won the chip. Only thing fortuitous about Manu's career is that he fell to 57 in the draft. He was an elite player that willingly decided to play the background and he benefited from it. He could've easily went somewhere else, averaged 25 ppg and not won shyt like these other nikkas named in the thread.
 

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Like dudes already said in here, carry a team.. you talkign about a dude who never averaged over 20ppg

nikkas in here really talkin about 4 rings, like he didnt average 9 points a game playing 30 mpg for one of those rings, and 14 ppg playing 25 for the other ones...

Carrying them where though? He wasn't accomplishing a DAMN thing until Larry Brown got there bruh. Like I said, what could he do that Manu couldn't do? Manu came through on the biggest stages.

Check Manu out in the 05 playoffs as if he wasn't putting in work :beli:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01/gamelog/2005/
 

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Carrying them where though? He wasn't accomplishing a DAMN thing until Larry Brown got there bruh. Like I said, what could he do that Manu couldn't do? Manu came through on the biggest stages.

Check Manu out in the 05 playoffs as if he wasn't putting in work :beli:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01/gamelog/2005/

Carrying them anywhere breh, we're discussing a guy who can't play lots of minutes, and that hurts his standing


Don't get it twisted, I know Manu put in work every championship run, even when he averaged 9 points in the playoffs playing close to 30 minutes a game. he has great handles, good vision, good attitude, and is good enough shooter... but you're bugging if you don't think there are 10+ guys in the history of the NBA who could've played his role and won 4 championships
 
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