Is Greg Popovich a better coach than Phil Jackson?

[BStapies]

Pop have made critical retarded mistakes that I dont remember Phil making though.

 

[Wargames]

Pop have made critical retarded mistakes that I dont remember Phil making though.

Yeah where was this thread last year after game 6 of the Finals?

 

[Da King]

i think pop is better at X's and O's and Phil might be better at motivating players

Motivating?


Must have been real hard to motivate to win

 

[USSInsiders]

Motivating?


Must have been real hard to motivate to win

That motivation nonsense is a joke. He been living off his rep for a long goddamn time. Pop is the goat bar none

 

[FlyRy]

The issue with the "Jordan, Kobe, Shaq didn't win before Phil" argument is that Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq with an average to good coach have a waaaaaaaaaaaay better shot at winning titles that Phil with an average to good team. I'm not gonna act like Phil didn't play his part but the NBA is a players league. His way of doing things was completely contingent on having the best player in the league and ATG complimentary players. Yes Pop had Tim but he never had a Kobe level or even a Pippen level complimentary player to go along with him AND he had to deal with Shaq and Kobe every year for the first half of the century. You put a T-Mac or Vince or even Pierce in SA and history looks a whole lot different.

Pop's ability to remix the Spurs like this can't be overstated. Phil or Pat probably leaves after the CF loss to the Lakers or most definitely the 1st round loss to the Grizzlies. They looked completely done then. Neither one of them ever showed the patience/willingness/ability to stick around build a team back up. To rebuild around an aging core like Pop has is no small feat in the NBA. I'm not sure Phil or Riles could do that or would even be willing to try.

Last but not least when you talk about rings we can't just ignore the refs. If Pop's teams were got some of the benefits that Phil and Pats teams got the Spurs probably win 4-5 straight in the mid 2000's.

i was with you until the end

shall i mention game 3 of the 2007 suns series aka DONAGHY or the hipcheck game where duncan also left the bench but didnt get suspended

 

[FlyRy]

Irony. Of all the atrocious arguments the "Amare suspension costing the Suns the title/allowing the Spurs to win the title" argument has got to be the worst. Did the Suns not have MVP Nash out there at home for very close game 5? Did they not have their full squad for game 6? It's hilarious how people go to the ends of the earth to discredit what these Spurs have done. Were other teams not trying in 99? Do injuries not impact the playoffs every year (including 2000 when Duncan went down or in 2011 when he clearly wasn't healthy and looked like he might be done)? Spurs always had talent but not the elite level of talent that Phil's teams have had. If in 2002 I offered you Manu, TP, Bowen for Kobe would you even think about accepting that trade before and slamming the phone down? Would you even trade prime Pip for that?

breh.. suns had the lead the ENTIRE game til bowen made a 3 with like 30 seconds left..and that's without amare and diaw.. so suns had like 6 guys total cuz dantoni only played 8 or less cuz he's stubborn as shyt.

 

[FTBS]

i was with you until the end

shall i mention game 3 of the 2007 suns series aka DONAGHY or the hipcheck game where duncan also left the bench but didnt get suspended

breh.. suns had the lead the ENTIRE game til bowen made a 3 with like 30 seconds left..and that's without amare and diaw.. so suns had like 6 guys total cuz dantoni only played 8 or less cuz he's stubborn as shyt.

You gonna compare that to some of the love glamour teams like LA and CHI and BOS have gotten over the years? Duncan took a step towards the court when a nikka fell. Stop it Jalen. Beyond all that you acknowledged yourself that the Suns were in position to win the next game at home and just flat oud didn't get it done.


The Spurs were blatantly disrespected as defending champs against Dallas in 06. They were treated like they were the challenger. You give them some of that Laker or Celtic love and they beat Dallas in 5 and steamroll MIA in the Finals. That's why I chuckle when people go on about how Dallas got done dirty by the refs in the Finals. Karma's a bytch.