Is intelligent design the biggest argument for the existence of a higher being?

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exactly whenever people start making claims about what happens when we die and how our lights just go out and that’s that, I just roll my eyes and tune them out. If that’s what they believe that’s fine but they haven’t died and don’t know anyone who has and came back to life to describe the experience so it’s weird to me to have such an absolute outlook on it. The truth is that none of us truly know. There’s been all kind of theories about consciousness and what happens when we die. And I’ve even read near death stories where a lot of people describe some of the same things happening. I’ve drawn my own conclusions/beliefs about what happens when we die and can only hope that my beliefs have some semblance of truth—that’s all I can do. What I can’t do is say with any authority that I know for sure that when I die it’s lights out forever and nothing.

I do believe there is more to life than just what we see in front of us. and that there is a higher power/higher intelligence that created this all—if you think about the miracle of life and how everything works and comes together it’s hard not to theorize that there’s something larger and more complex behind it all.

There are so many things we as humans simply don’t know and many of us are too stubborn/narrow minded to even get close to comprehending the truth—whatever that may be.

Yeqh I agree with this post 100%. And yeah, I remember seeing some show called when I died or some shyt and it was about near death experiences and the way they described it, was almost exactly like the out of body experiences I had. I was like :ohhh: Cause before seeing that show, I had naturally felt like this is what happens when you die after I had my first OBEs. Only difference is, most those people saw some type of light or God presence. My OBEs be spiritual in nature per say, but I never seen God or nothing like that. But the whole process of lifting out your body and shyt and looking back and seeing your physical body there and shyt was the same.

I definitely believe there are different dimensions and realms and shyt we can tap into and it’s more to the world than we can see. Now the questions is, does any of this transfer over when we die. Does our consciousness or soul live on? I think it does based on my personal experiences, but I can understand why someone wouldn’t. Like I don’t believe in the traditional heaven or hell concept like the Bible says, but how do I know that’s not true? I think reincarnation would be terrible but how do I know that’s not true? No soul lives on and nothingness for eternity is definitely something I don’t want but how can I know for sure it’s not that? That’s one of the things that makes the most sense. I simply don’t know. I wish I did, but maybe we not supposed to know.
 

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What kind of intelligent being designs a planet with Volcanoes, hurricanes, tornados and Earthquakes?

What kind of intelligent being puts a planet in a shooting gallery of asteroids and comets and when they strike they wipe out almost all life? :heh:
 

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Yeqh I agree with this post 100%. And yeah, I remember seeing some show called when I died or some shyt and it was about near death experiences and the way they described it, was almost exactly like the out of body experiences I had. I was like :ohhh: Cause before seeing that show, I had naturally felt like this is what happens when you die after I had my first OBEs. Only difference is, most those people saw some type of light or God presence. My OBEs be spiritual in nature per say, but I never seen God or nothing like that. But the whole process of lifting out your body and shyt and looking back and seeing your physical body there and shyt was the same.

I definitely believe there are different dimensions and realms and shyt we can tap into and it’s more to the world than we can see. Now the questions is, does any of this transfer over when we die. Does our consciousness or soul live on? I think it does based on my personal experiences, but I can understand why someone wouldn’t. Like I don’t believe in the traditional heaven or hell concept like the Bible says, but how do I know that’s not true? I think reincarnation would be terrible but how do I know that’s not true? No soul lives on and nothingness for eternity is definitely something I don’t want but how can I know for sure it’s not that? That’s one of the things that makes the most sense. I simply don’t know. I wish I did, but maybe we not supposed to know.
This is how I feel too pretty much.
 

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You're an idiot, it took millions of years of animals living in those specific environments to evolve. That's the 'basic' theory of evolution. See: finches in the galapagos. Each island was a slightly different terrain/feeding zone. So over time, the finch evolved differently in order to better adapt to its environment, so some had beaks better at cracking seeds, while some ate flowers/berries or whatever.

That's why you're a fukking idiot for thinking animals can just choose to 'adapt' to invasive species. And even if predators did magically evolve instantly to hunt new prey, those new prey are fukking up the ecosystem down the line. Like starlings aren't a predator species, but they're invasive because they kill all the other birds brehs, so farmers go out of their way to kill starlings to preserve the natural ecosystem.

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Nothing you said even begins to even try refuting my arguments. Yes, you've re-explained the premise for the very flawed theory I learned in grade school, thank you.

The question was how. Going back to your Finch example, what causes an evolutionary change that caused whatever common ancestor of the finches to branch out into roles uniquely attuned for their environment? Why didn't they turn out like other bird species that can feed on both food sources? This doesn't happen by chance, they were uniquely designed for their unique role in their ecosystem

You're the idiot for blindly believing the theory that claims monkeys just decided to lose all their physical adaptations to the actual world to become hairless big brained apes. I was being cheeky with "decided" but that's literally how evolutionary theory depicts the shift from single cell organisms, to multi cell organisms, to fish, to land mammals. The idea that if you give it enough time a fish will stop being just a fish and somehow emerge from the oceans as a land mammal. If enough rats get killed for not flying one will "evolve" and "adapt" for the competition and somehow grow wings. Its absurd.

Where are all the half fish/half mammal hybrids that didn't finish turning their lungs to gills? Evolution has never proved the existence of most of these in between species that they say are causal links to other species.
 

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because Genesis 1 is an ever forming page, while Genesis 2 is not...rather Genesis 2 reads more like a prophecy and Genesis 3 is written also in the form of prophecy

in other words, i believe there was time only genesis 1 existed as a reference which changes the way i read the rest of the bible.


I DONT SEE IT
 

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I was raised to believe in the Bible God/Christianity. But I am not a Christian anymore in practice. I’m spiritual. That being said I do believe there is a higher power and that there’s more to the universe than what we’ve learned and/or think we know.
what's the difference? I hear people say they are spiritual but still seem christian to me
 

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I DONT SEE IT
precisely

how many ways can one "see" the bible

im highly fascinated with the prophecies of the baal cycle as it pertains to certain hebrew letters
 

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what's the difference? I hear people say they are spiritual but still seem christian to me
Eastern Orthodoxy is not the same as Western Catholicism and Protestantism

i highly recommend folks look into the divine liturgy
 

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QUITE THE CONTRARY

YOU LITERALLY THINK YOURE JUST HERE BY CHANCE

LOL .. THE MOST INTRICATE DESIGN IN THE UNIVERSE WAS SOME SORT OF MEANINGLESS ACCIDENT

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Meaning is a human term. Yes I'm here by chance, you realize just the right people had to have been born just for you to get here right? I don't know what you mean by "accident".
 

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There are tons of species of apes but if you want to believe that you evolved from one then speak for yourself. There have also been anthropological frauds in the past to try to further prove to people that we indeed come from them. Check out Nebraska man or Piltdown Man. They have to lie because they know they're full of shyt.

Truth of the matter is a lot of these high level illuminist cacs just don't want to humble themselves before a higher power and believe they can explain everything away with bogus theories and I say so's.

To let them tell it humans has been on this planet for millions of years which is a joke. Or that aliens were the ones who built the pyramids. The list goes on.

If we indeed came from apes then how come there are no intermediary findings from beginning to now or any intermediary apes that are walking around (we've been record keeping for thousands of years and yet you don't see anything of the sort)? They're just animals. Stating because one thing looks similar to something else therefore they're related is just Erasmus Darwin associationism nonsense.

But to reach the there own. These conversations go nowhere, they're just circular back and forths.
Like I said Humans are apes. And the fact they we know they are frauds in the past speaks to the rigor in which we look for them oltoday and a testament to the fact that it seems pretty hard to lie about them forever. I don't know what you mean by intermediate as we didn't evolve from modern day apes WE ARE CLASSIFIED AS APES. And what is an ape by your standard btw since you clearly are the scientific expert and no one else can be trusted. If you are talking about ancestor species we have fossils. Hundreds. But I'm sure you will say they are fake so I don't even know why you asked. Also is aliens or any other random shyt considered scientific fact? Do you learn it in any college or school. Why lie? Humans are also animals so wtf are you about? Sure things looking similar isnt EVERYTHING but it's definitely a process. Would it be normal for the two humans aren't of the same species or not? Instead of just denying things you would have more credibility if you actually provided alternate explanations for what we see. Go on.
 

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Like I said Humans are apes. And the fact they we know they are frauds in the past speaks to the rigor in which we look for them oltoday and a testament to the fact that it seems pretty hard to lie about them forever. I don't know what you mean by intermediate as we didn't evolve from modern day apes WE ARE CLASSIFIED AS APES. And what is an ape by your standard btw since you clearly are the scientific expert and no one else can be trusted. If you are talking about ancestor species we have fossils. Hundreds. But I'm sure you will say they are fake so I don't even know why you asked. Also is aliens or any other random shyt considered scientific fact? Do you learn it in any college or school. Why lie? Humans are also animals so wtf are you about? Sure things looking similar isnt EVERYTHING but it's definitely a process. Would it be normal for the two humans aren't of the same species or not? Instead of just denying things you would have more credibility if you actually provided alternate explanations for what we see. Go on.

If you see an ape when you look in the mirror, more power to you. But I come from a line of men. Fully formed.
 
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