Is Israel REALLY the problem?? 10 "Misconceptions"??...help me out brehs

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1) How is it a misconception. All the land was Palestinians, UK catered to zionist and started shipping them there and the Israelis illegally started occupying land they had no claim to. On top of that, you have the current Israeli government occupying and continuing to occupy land the same UN ruled was Palestianian with no international recourse for their continued invasion.

2) Jordan took land and Egypt took land. They both need to give the land they occupied back, that doesn't absolve Israel from what it has done in currently blocking formal government of Palestine and occupying Palestinian land.

3) Arab refugee problem has nothing to do with Palestianian issue, but if you want to get to the heart of the matter the refugee problem was caused by Western nations in the quest to overthrow local governments that didn't cater to them. It isn't the neighbors problem to really fix, since they didn't cause it.

4) UN has been blocked by the US from imposing any real sanctions on Israel until now, so to claim the UN is the problem when everyone knows the US has been using its place to block any sanction or any formal recourse is absurd on its face.

5) This seems like a strawman, no one has ever argued the issue with Palenstine is the lack of western aid. That said the solution also isn't sending billions of military and foreign aid to Israel either.

6) This again is another canard of an argument. Yassir Arafat and the PLO were working towards a seperate state solution that was constantly blocked by who? Israel. It is now known that Israel created Hamas to disrupt PLO unity in creating a seperate state solution. Why? Hamas did not want a 2 state solution.

7) Israel is the aggressor, they don't need a peace partner, they simply need to removed their illegal settlements immediately On top of that they need to stop fighting the creation of a independent palestianian state, they don't want this because they desire the land that is currently slated to Palestine, hence its allowance to continue to expand its illegal settlements. Now explain to me how in the hell you can claim Palestine is wrong for wanting 100% of what was owed to it and not settling for anything less? ( Does Pro not do HDR in 4k? ) They wouldn't get full land mass back and the deal would entail Palestine not even getting full statehood. They would be barred from establishing a military, they would not have control over their own airspace, plus Israel would control a road that went through their territory. The myth that the Palestianians were given a "fair" agreement is a joke on its face.

8) Israel moved out settlements? Is that why in 2016 the US finally came out and said they ignored and failed to remove their settlements? Tell me why it should be applauded that Israel did not go back to the territory that was given to it? If I broke into your home, kicked all your shyt out, and then told you, you can have your bedroom back, would I be just? This is the equailvant of what Israel did. They gave a few settlements up, the cost picked up by the US taxpayer to around 200k per settler, and this is supposed to be taken as a sign of good faith instead of a complete withdrawal from all territorty not given to them? And again, who created and funded Hamas? Israel? Why, because the group politically was against a 2 state solution.

9) Picture worth 1000 words they say
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10) 2 state solution has been opposed by Israel, this claim that this was the Israeli position is false on its face.

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OP seems like you really just posted zionist propaganda.
For the record I didn't write an of this shyt, nor did I say there was any truth to this.

but as to the bolded?? :snoop: yup. it certainly looks like it. I followed that video and checked what other vids they had....yup...looks like some BS.

It's all good though, I'm gonna leave this thread up so other ppl can see it and come across it and hopefully get better informed on this, and hopefully won't get played by these propaganda posts. It was floating around FB, so I'm gonna squash it on there too.



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"zionism is fear-mongering"...........hmmmm that sounds REAL familiar.....
 

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For the record I didn't write an of this shyt, nor did I say there was any truth to this.

but as to the bolded?? :snoop: yup. it certainly looks like it. I followed that video and checked what other vids they had....yup...looks like some BS.

It's all good though, I'm gonna leave this thread up so other ppl can see it and come across it and hopefully get better informed on this, and hopefully won't get played by these propaganda posts. It was floating around FB, so I'm gonna squash it on there too.



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I knew you didn't write it and just posted it, I was just saying it looks like you were duped.
That said no problem, didn't seem like you were actually arguing for any of this stuff, and its always better to discuss why you disagree than the general name calling shyt.
Its all good.
 

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I knew you didn't write it and just posted it, I was just saying it looks like you were duped.
That said no problem, didn't seem like you were actually arguing for any of this stuff, and its always better to discuss why you disagree than the general name calling shyt.
Its all good.
No doubt, This place is called Higher Learning. Ppl should be spreading knowledge and having well formed arguments. Seems like that has been lost with many ppl.
 

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I'm not anti-israel, I AM anti-fake history.

OP went to some "Palestinian are invented people" diatribe to make it convenient forget Israel was engaged in anti-europa terrorism as well in the 40s :mjpls:


They don't talk about that or the uss liberty :mjpls:
 

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:picard: good grief...the homotional responses in here....youd think the people posting them actually got their booty snatched by the IDF

as for the OP question the list like all good propaganda is mostly false with some truth thrown in




Misconception #1 - Israel illegally stole land from the Palestinians - In 1947, the UN voted to give land to both the Jews and the Palestinians. The Jews accepted their partition and legally formed the state of
Israel. The Palestinians rejected their partition and attacked. Even after losing the war, the Arabs still had most of the land from the UN ruling. Which leads us to...
The UN was a cover story of sorts ...the British colonialists had taken the land from the Ottoman empire prior to WW2 and they were deternined not to have the Ottoman empire grow so they came up with the theory that a Jewish state would be a Check on that ever happening again
The British crown is the True mother of Israel...the UN is just the midwife

Misconception #2 - The surrounding Arab nations actually want to create a Palestinian State - So after the war the West Bank and Gaza were controlled by Jordan and Egypt...for 19 years! During that span, those governments never established a Palestinian state. Instead--they kept the land for their own use.
:mjgrin: Not suprising Considering the British,French and Italians also just as recently created all those other "arab states" as well...the Arabs had no concept of a nation state they had strong tribe and clan affiliations which the colonial empires deliberately manipulated to create states that were in constant conflict so they could be manipulated easily "divide and conquer"

Cmon now..you think its coincidence a country is half Shia/half sunni knowing damn well they hate each other


Misconception #3 The Arab nations want to solve the refugee crisis - Palestinians have settled in Arab nations throughout the Middle East. These nations could solve the crisis immediately by granting refugees equal rights, but instead they refuse to let them vote, own land, or even study in public schools. Ironically, The only country to grant them full citizenship rights is Israel which absorbed 156,000 Arabs after the 1948 war and even today Arabs hold seats in the Israeli government and Supreme Court.
Half Truth..Arab israeli citizens get treated equally(in theory)...not sure palestinians get the same
"Misconception #4 UN efforts are helping to solve the refugee crisis - The UN did step in to provide assistance to the Palestinian refugees. But instead of using their existing agency that helps resettle refugee populations around the world the UN created UNWRA which
labels every Palestinian as a refugee until a Palestinian state is formed within the borders of Israel. This makes it more difficult for Palestinians to thrive in their host countries and locks them into perpetual refugee status passing it on to their children, grand-children and great-grandchildren swelling the refugee population from 500,000 in 1949 to nearly 5 million today. As conditions worsened-- the international aid started to pour in-- which incidentally is...
not sure

Misconception #5 - The solution is more money - Really? Western nations have given the Palestinians a ton of aid. Even taking inflation into account, they've been given 25x more money per person
than Europe was given to rebuild after WWII. Where's the stable economy? Where's the improved infrastructure? That money sure could have helped, but it was given to some leaders who had a different agenda... Which brings us headlong into...
All they have to live on is Aid...real wealth building begins with land rights...you cant invest in a factory that could be torn down tommorow

Misconception #6 - Forming a State is the primary goal of top Palestinian leaders - All of this international aid did go to help ease one man's suffering - Yasser Arafat. After his death accountants hired by Arafat's own family discovered secret investments worth more than 1 billion dollars. That income stream would be threatened if a new state was formed--
which gives leaders like Arafat-- or Mahmoud Abbas for that matter-- a billion plus reasons to never actually sign a peace treaty. Which leads us to...
Truth most of their leaders are corrupt pieces of shyt...arent everyones in a way tho
Misconception #7 - Israel has a true peace partner - in the year 2000 desperate for a resolution, the Israelis elected Prime Minister EHud Barak with a mandate to make peace with the Palestinians. Barak offered Yasser Arafat 94% of the land he demanded, except Jerusalem. Arafat flatly refused. President Clinton blamed the failure of the best chance at peace in 60 years squarely on Yasser Arafat. Which brings up perhaps the most common misconception
of all...
Arafat did reject it...i think it was a golden opportunity to end this shyt
#8 - Israel just needs to give up land for peace –The last time Israel tried this was in 2005. They forced thousands of Jewish settlers out of Gaza and in exchange the Palestinian leaders promised peace. But when the Israelis
moved out, the Palestinians voted Hamas in. Yep- they elected a terrorist organization who -- since taking power-- has fired more than 10,000 rockets into Israel. Surprised? Then you've probably bought into...
They do fire rockets,But from what ive seen most are crude homemade unguided devices....not that thats ok:hubie:
Misconception #9 –
Most Palestinians want a lasting peace with Israel. Some Palestinians do, but they are a minority. For 60 years Palestinian educational leaders have fed their children a steady diet of hate. Idolizing suicide bombers and celebrating death, right in the classroom. And finally...
This one is true..but if youre a kid who grows up in hopelessness and despair its easy to reach for simple answers ....The adults who propagandize children to look forward to nothing but a violent death are scum tho
Misconception #10 - Giving the Palestinians a state now is the only solution to their suffering. - This has been the only approach tried for the last 60 years. But these are people we're talking about, and waiting until they have a state to give them equal rights
has only made things worse. Currently, Israel is the only nation to grant full rights to the Palestinians within their borders, but by granting them equal rights in every nation where they live, we could immediately increase the quality of life for every Palestinian.
:comeon: so basically absorb them all wherever they are and lets go for one state

Let's be honest. These Misconceptions have concealed potential solutions. When we take time to clear up confusion and face reality, we begin to uncover the truth and that's when real progress towards justice can begin.

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The Palestinians were on that land first but Zionists and Holocaust apologists kicked them out because "they were just settlers" or "werent an official state"

How is that a misconception:mindblown:
 
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