Is it possible to be appropriately informed?

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Came across this in my internet travels, and I think it's a good point. Thoughts?
In your 2007 guest editor’s opinion, we are in a state of three-alarm emergency—‘we’ basically meaning America as a polity and culture. Only part of this emergency has to do with what is currently called partisan politics, but it’s a significant part. Don’t worry that I’m preparing to make any kind of specific argument about the Bush administration or the disastrous harm I believe it’s done in almost every area of federal law, policy, and governance. Such an argument would be just noise here—redundant for those readers who feel and believe as I do, biased crap for those who believe differently. Who’s right is not the point. The point is to try to explain part of what I mean by ‘valuable.’ It is totally possible that, prior to 2004—when the reelection of George W. Bush rendered me, as part of the U.S. electorate, historically complicit in his administration’s policies and conduct—this BAE Decider would have selected more memoirs or descriptive pieces on ferns and geese, some of which this year were quite lovely and fine. In the current emergency, though, such essays simply didn’t seem as valuable to me as pieces like, say, Mark Danner’s ‘Iraq: The War of the Imagination’ or Elaine Scarry’s ‘Rules of Engagement.’

Here is an overt premise. There is just no way that 2004’s reelection could have taken place—not to mention extraordinary renditions, legalized torture, FISA-flouting, or the passage of the Military Commissions Act— if we had been paying attention and handling information in a competent grown-up way. ‘We’ meaning as a polity and culture. The premise does not entail specific blame— or rather the problems here are too entangled and systemic for good old-fashioned fingerpointing. It is, for one example, simplistic and wrong to blame the for-profit media for somehow failing to make clear to us the moral and practical hazards of trashing the Geneva Conventions. The for-profit media is highly attuned to what we want and the amount of detail we’ll sit still for. And a ninety-second news piece on the question of whether and how the Geneva Conventions ought to apply in an era of asymmetrical warfare is not going to explain anything; the relevant questions are too numerous and complicated, too fraught with contexts in everything from civil law and military history to ethics and game theory. One could spend a hard month just learning the history of the Conventions’ translation into actual codes of conduct for the U.S. military . . . and that’s not counting the dramatic changes in those codes since 2002, or the question of just what new practices violate (or don’t) just which Geneva provisions, and according to whom. Or let’s not even mention the amount of research, background, crosschecking, corroboration, and rhetorical parsing required to understand the cataclysm of Iraq, the collapse of congressional oversight, the ideology of neoconservatism, the legal status of presidential signing statements, the political marriage of evangelical Protestantism and corporatist laissez-faire . . . There’s no way. You’d simply drown. We all would. It’s amazing to me that no one much talks about this—about the fact that whatever our founders and framers thought of as a literate, informed citizenry can no longer exist, at least not without a whole new modern degree of subcontracting and dependence packed into what we mean by ‘informed.’

Hence, by the way, the seduction of partisan dogma. You can drown in dogmatism now, too— radio, Internet, cable, commercial and scholarly print— but this kind of drowning is more like sweet release. Whether hard right or new left or whatever, the seduction and mentality are the same. You don’t have to feel confused or inundated or ignorant. You don’t even have to think, for you already Know, and whatever you choose to learn confirms what you Know. This dogmatic lockstep is not the kind of inevitable dependence I’m talking about—or rather it’s only the most extreme and frightened form of that dependence.

Whole essay is here (this is the only part thats political. The rest is an editor's note to an essay collection. Dont ask...):
http://neugierig.org/content/dfw/bestamerican.pdf
 

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Our media has utterly failed us, it should be illegal for the media to be politicized. Half our country is literally watching a propaganda channel for white supremacy.

Right and the other half is fair and balanced... :comeon:


:camby:if you don’t think all mainstream news networks are bought and paid for by their political masters.


CNN is Fox News just in reverse.
 

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Right and the other half is fair and balanced... :comeon:


:camby:if you don’t think all mainstream news networks are bought and paid for by their political masters.


CNN is Fox News just in reverse.
I'm sorry but you're wrong. And I know damn well CNN and MSNBC are politicized. Fox is a white supremacist reality show, CNN is not even in the same league of wickedness as fox news. Propaganda, visual cancer.


 

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Back to the point, playing the blame game (left vs right )gets us nowhere.( can't stand faux news, but that's my personal opinion)

There's even more fundamental angle we should trying to achieve or get at. What i'm trying to say is, what are some of the things that other advanced democracies have in place which make theIR political process more efficient than ours.

Surely we recognize our system isnt perfect but how can we demand more? How can we create more informed individuals?

Basically what is it that we(as informed adults) want done to make the political process more transparent, feasible, understandable, relatable, and accessible for more people?

The solution I'm not sure, but i have some ideas.
 

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Not in this day and age, too many outlets to keep up with- the relevance of analysis, timeliness and accuracy and who you get your info from all impact how informed you are. Truthfully I get why celebs use their platforms to highlight certain issues they care about. The news glosses over a LOT of stuff to present cheery hot-takes. I checked out from active digestion after we elected Trump tbh.

Social media is a mixed blessing- I don’t care about celeb gossip at all but if that’s where everyone is then I’ll suffer for not following or at least keeping up to date. It’s become just as important as any other news type. Word of mouth still plays a big role in how I learn about stuff that makes no sense to me, safety, how to avoid traps and setups, etc.
Yeah the headlines have been joke ever since his inception into the political scene. Everyday i wake up and read articles pertaining to the current administration, only to realize I've been so desensitized to the volatile nature of this president, that i cant tell whether an issue is real or satire.

Back to the point, there's a true solution out here, but it takes some genuinely creative thinking to change the projection of the future.

The solution has to be compete with a world fixated on narcissism and instant gratification.
 
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Right and the other half is fair and balanced... :comeon:


:camby:if you don’t think all mainstream news networks are bought and paid for by their political masters.


CNN is Fox News just in reverse.

Nah...they're all bad but FOX News is on a whole different level. :hhh:

It's basically just an arm of the GOP.



Also, CNN isn't remotely left-wing/liberal.
 

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Nah...they're all bad but FOX News is on a whole different level. :hhh:

It's basically just an arm of the GOP.



Also, CNN isn't remotely left-wing/liberal.

Fox News is to the repubs as MSNBC, CNN, Google, Youtube and Yahoo are to the dems. If there was no Fox News there would be no opposing viewpoint at all and we would have basically the equivalent of “state news” like North Korea where every major outlet is feeding us the same propaganda.

And bro please educate yourself because CNN is clearly and unashabadly a left wing news organization and that’s not even close to being up for debate. They didn’t earn the nickname Clinton News Network for nothing.

But hey I can see why years of Jon Stewart and bias liberal media would have you think that Fox News is the only crooked game in town.
 

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Back to the point, playing the blame game (left vs right )gets us nowhere.( can't stand faux news, but that's my personal opinion)

There's even more fundamental angle we should trying to achieve or get at. What i'm trying to say is, what are some of the things that other advanced democracies have in place which make theIR political process more efficient than ours.

Surely we recognize our system isnt perfect but how can we demand more? How can we create more informed individuals?

Basically what is it that we(as informed adults) want done to make the political process more transparent, feasible, understandable, relatable, and accessible for more people?

The solution I'm not sure, but i have some ideas.
I think part of it is that capitalism has perfected it's attack on the market's attention to the point where sitting for a few hours and reading about things relevant to politics (which cab be boring) is pretty low on the list of options people have for their spare time. It's like your father giving you shyt for playing video games - talking about he used spend hours out side. The truth is if he had all the cool shyt we did he'd be doing the same thing. Now with smart phones (which, even though we take them for granted, are pretty amazing), it's hard to even blame people for the limited attention they pay to civic engagement.
 

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I think part of it is that capitalism has perfected it's attack on the market's attention to the point where sitting for a few hours and reading about things relevant to politics (which cab be boring) is pretty low on the list of options people have for their spare time. It's like your father giving you shyt for playing video games - talking about he used spend hours out side. The truth is if he had all the cool shyt we did he'd be doing the same thing. Now with smart phones (which, even though we take them for granted, are pretty amazing), it's hard to even blame people for the limited attention they pay to civic engagement.
Right, this is why I think a lot aspects of government are outdated.
From barriers associated with voting in person(long lines, taking time off work,disenfranchise practices; to lengthy court processes which detain and punish people for crimes like smoking pot.

Just about every branch of government needs a contemporary overhaul.
The problems of today, are completely different from the issues affecting the United States in the 1770's. Trying to the think from the prospective of the constitution's founders is absolute ludicrous.
 
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