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I wouldn't even wanna tbh , that's a huge risk , I couldn't live with myself if someone died in my hands
IS IT REALLY "HARD" TO BECOME A SURGEON?
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it's working with your hands
if someone with some talent got the applied side of the training without all the theory you need for an MD and pre-med he'd probably be just as good
but people don't want random people with no real intelligence in the profession just cuz they have good dexterity, it's important enough that we only allow smart people to do it
like do you want someone cutting you up who doesn't really know what he's doing beyond "cut this, stitch this" etc. I want the one who spent his whole life learning about the human body and shyt, makes me feel safer
if someone with some talent got the applied side of the training without all the theory you need for an MD and pre-med he'd probably be just as good
but people don't want random people with no real intelligence in the profession just cuz they have good dexterity, it's important enough that we only allow smart people to do it
like do you want someone cutting you up who doesn't really know what he's doing beyond "cut this, stitch this" etc. I want the one who spent his whole life learning about the human body and shyt, makes me feel safer
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Let's get that neg train going
I think not being smart is a big barrier. If you cannot pass the science and biology classes to get an undergraduate degree, that's a good indicator (or reality check) to tell you that you aren't qualified to be a doctor.
There are people who cannot do well in the sciences. Just plain f**** retarded. Even with a tutor, everything that is explained goes in one ear and out the other. If they cannot figure that kind of stuff out, I would rather that person not get into the medical field involving cutting a person open and fixing things. You want that person working the phones at Domino's or Pizza Hut or something more simple. No one is going to die if they screw up an order... maybe, or usually not.
You wouldn't even score an A grade in high school biology. Sit down
theres things were all good at
for example i can dunk a basketball, but if someone tells me to read this and say what its about, well im shyt outta luck
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for example i can dunk a basketball, but if someone tells me to read this and say what its about, well im shyt outta luck
- blackierobinson
Anyone with the patience, intelligence, and the endurance can become a surgeon in theory. But this isn't like working on cars or other forms of machinery (although they all have their training standards). This is a human body being operated on. Standards are rightfully higher because human life is highly regarded.
Theory provides you the context of why things happen and allows you to recognize situations as they occur. That combined with the applicable skill and experience allows a veteran surgeon to make decisions that can save a life that a surgeon with just technical skill can't.
This isn't just about making people 'feel' safer. It's about actually doing the job the correct way with all the challenges and pressures that operating on a human body comes forth. Malpractice lawsuits are a real thing.
as long as you can manually do the work with high accuracy you're good for most shyt
maybe an 8 year college+MD grad would have the broad background to do some exotic unprecedented shyt (like separating twins i guess since Carson was the first to do that) better than someone who did a 2 year trades program in surgery (if such a thing existed)
but pulling teeth, popping cysts, c-sections, anyone with the hand training can do that routine shyt
all the education they need is more about keeping salaries high in the profession by enforcing barriers not cuz theory helps you in daily work
So how do you measure someone who hasn't been through clinicals and spent time in residency accurate enough to do these types of things you describe? Because I'll tell you it takes a hell of a lot longer than 2 years. Even if such a thing existed, the cost to insure such an individual would be so high a hospital isn't going to take a chance on hiring that person. Starting a private practice would be damn near impossible if one can't afford or can't get insurance.
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i'm saying if there were no regulations (obviously that's impossible) u could train high school graduates to do routine surgeries pretty easily and they'd be fine at it, you could throw them in the same hands on programs that MDs go through
every high paying profession has a way higher standard for entry than to actually do the work
most software engineers don't use heavy algorithms and theory but they're expected to know it for a job interview, consultants and investment bankers don't need to know anything in particular except basic applied finance / business math but u need a 3.8 from a top 30 school to get an interview, etc
Okay. Let's strip away everything regulatory and say high schoolers are eligible to go through training. You really think someone with a high school education (ie lacking the basic knowledge you gain from the sciences in college) can perform the procedures necessary to perform routine surgeries? Proper measuring of fluids? Application of fluids? Injections? Incisions? Precise cutting within a decimeter?
Then, going ahead and doing this all under pressure?
Nah fam, I don't agree with you at all.
measuring fluids?
you can teach a high school grad to take apart and reassemble your plumbing system, car, construct a building, etc. but he can't measure fluids and do accurate cuts?
what prepares a science nerd college grad with no experience with anything involving manual to cut within a decimeter? nothing, you just learn to do it with practice or you just can't do it
why don't you go to a GP with a recent physics or calculus final and see if he can do half of that shyt anymore
since basic sciences are so important to daily life as a doctor