Is it safe to say No Way Out, Harlem World, It's Dark and Hell is Hot is the trifecta

[Big Mel]

Missy is utter trash.

 

[Ohene]

Missy is utter trash.

She was still popular and Supa Dupa Fly is a classic album whether you like it or not

 

[Big Mel]

Trash all the same.

 

[Wacky D]

it is the bait and switch marketing Def jam used which is the beginning and main gripe.


Art Barr

understood.

what do you think of the actual album tho?

and also, what do you have to say about jay after he signed to def jam?

 

[Art Barr]

She was still popular and Supa Dupa Fly is a classic album whether you like it or not

You mean it is your personal classic.
Supadupa fly is not a classic, b!


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

understood.

what do you think of the actual album tho?

and also, what do you have to say about jay after he signed to def jam?

jay after he signed to defjam is when he albeitly became the best falsely pr'd rapper in the history of rap.
him getting the xxl cover was a sham and a farce at the time.
Yet, it showed the power of what was to come from payola, and the use of the saturation method during the sales spike era.

Dmx's album is dumbed down for him from what he was.
Yet there are a lot of redeemable emcee qualities to listen to it, for study.
Especially when it comes to clarity bar to bar.
The abum is a highlight in how rewarding clarity is for mainstream rap, as a proven sales model.
Even if you have a style that is unconventional.


Art Barr

 

[Wacky D]

^would you agree that "its dark and hell is hot" is a classic?

 

[dem bath salts]

I'm 26 and Doggystyle was the first rap album I owned. My trifecta would be Doggystyle, Makevalli, and Dark Hell is hot. Honorable mentions to 400 degreez, Ghetto D, Atliens, Vol 2.

 

[aceboon]

28, Its Dark And Hell Is Hot is the first album I ever bought and yea I consider it a classic. It owned the lockerroom for that freshmen year of HS football. Not sure if it's already been mentioned but you can peep the impact it had when you hear Kendrick and Blu say that album is what got them into rap.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

All 3 albums the OP posted were bonafied classics. Those are not the 1st albums I copped tho. My older cousins/uncles put me up on hip hop really young. Well, they didn't have to put me on bcause I was a lil nygga watchin rap city/ yo mtv raps and the Box.

I was really young bumpin 2short,NWA, E40,Cube,Scarface, Nas-Illmatic. So by the time the "shiny suit era" came around, I was already well versed in hip hop and not just in 1 region. I think that I have the most diverse non biased rap collection out there. I literally have thousands of cd's from the bay,LA,midwest,east and south. Underground/Mainstream.

Havin said that, DMX's "dark & hell is hot" was a breath of fresh air. The east coast was looked at as somewhat soft. And X brought a grimey and new sound provided by swizz. Mase's album was a classic and that NO way out was classic. 98 was a great year for hip hop

 

[YourSavior]

This is true. Like Im an 80s baby. I aint shame to say that I first started paying attention to rap during the shiny suit era. My older brother (5 years older) was into the Wu Tang, so thats what I was digging for a while. But Biggie and Puff and Mase was that deal when I was coming up. The nX crushed the buildings.

EXACTLY.... never got into WUTANG like my older cousins

 

[Vilified not verified]

It was def jam's further attempt after warren g to capitalize on the draw of the west coast sound and artistry.
Yet this time it was rolled into making a capitalized dishonest draw off of the cadre of tupac clone war base of fans.
Similar to master p and other tupac bitten artist.
Which was an appeal to that fanbase.
Looking for a new outlet after the loss of Pac.
Evident by the original marketing for dmx's video via commercial.
Where you only saw quick cutout imagery of a bald headed hyped guy.
Plus, the video being purposefully made so it would he banned and create a nostalgia as something more than it was.

also,..dmx had dumbed down his own legendary white label ability as an unsigned hype emcee.
To capitalize on the dumbed down lyricism of tupac during his deathrow drawing days as well.

I was not buying that shyt and I still do not.
Also,...dmx, and what he would later become and being ostracized from defjam is also telling as well.
As both dmx and def jam were on whoppie.

So real talk, others bought into the east coast Pac draw of dmx.
I did not and still to this day I am Better off for it.

As I stay grounded culturally and never overprocessed or supported that work.
plus, I recognize the siphoned off draw of Pac, that defjam used as well.
As defjam faked more and more jax in that era as much as any other label, as well.
Yet is ignored because of the impact of the sales spike era.
Which was also a lie and I truly wonder about how real the sales really were, as well.


Art Barr

It's easy to forget how certain artists were marketed off of the recently deceased Tupac's thug image, thank you for reminding me.

 

[MattP215]

Replace "Harlem World" with Jay's "Hard Knock Life", and that sounds about right.

I just turned 24, BTW.

 

[Wacky D]

I was really young bumpin 2short,NWA, E40,Cube,Scarface, Nas-Illmatic. So by the time the "shiny suit era" came around, I was already well versed in hip hop and not just in 1 region. I think that I have the most diverse non biased rap collection out there. I literally have thousands of cd's from the bay,LA,midwest,east and south. Underground/Mainstream.

i challenge you to a duel.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I only cared for DMX's album. I am a little bit out of your range and obviously from Southern California so maybe that has something to do with it.