Is it true that Mase wrote whole verses for Biggie and co-wrote songs for Jay-Z?

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Mason Betha is listed in the liner notes for I Just Wanna Love You by Jay-Z.

I'd hate to link to that other site that I found this on but you can find it if you do your googles:

"The definitive ghost writing exposed research thread"

Dude also claims that Mase also wrote Bigs verse on Mo Money Mo Problems.

Here's an excerpt where it talks about Mase.

From my recent reading of posts here about ghostwriting...and alot of myths/rumors people trying to pass off as fact here...I figured it's time to start up a real official convo about ghostwriting in hip-hop, and expose who uses writers.

Ghostwriting has been and is part of the business that often gets a negative connotation. It's a structured phase that whether you need one or not is apart of any 'artist development' process at a major label. Like someone had mentioned, unless you have worked with (or at) some capacity in the music business; you're not exposed to the real definition of ghostwriting; and you'll always have a bad vision of it. The difference in those days was these people were writers, not rappers, and fortunately always stayed unknown. Nowadays with more money involved, writers actually wanting publishing, etc-etc...the business of writing has gotten messy.

Do I condone ghostwriting? Not entirely, because (myself being a producer/rapper) I write my own lyrics, hooks, and notes to music...but it's apart of the business that always opportunities for others - so I can at least respect it.

It's always a double-edged sword...some of your favorite rappers have ghostwrote for people; while some of these 'ghostwriters' have allowed others to ghostwrite for them for 'creative brainstorm' purposes and to give up-and-comers opportunities. The best example is Biggie - he had the total package (voice, flow, persona, delivery, freestyling, etc) - but little known was that he publicly OFFERED opportunities for new rappers (Mase, Camron, D-Dot, Jadakiss, Charli Baltimore, etc) to write for him either in exchange for deals, or label opportunities. Did he really need it? - NO. Was it a gester that helped start some of these rappers careers? - YES. Did Biggie ever lose any of his popularity for giving 'opportunities'? - NO.

One of the most infamous stories was how Mase got discovered, which Diddy has discussed many times. Mase was at a music conference in ATL, in search of 'only' Jermaine Dupri to give him his demo, with a young Diddy & BIG only in attendance to network. While JD was nearly a no-show, Diddy was able to beg a listen to Mase's demo. After liking some of it...after the conference - Diddy and BIG put Mase to the test to 'freestyle' a verse NOT on the demo. What he spit impressed them so much, they later wanted him to use it as a verse as a feature on 112's first single "Only You". Historically, after praising him, and exchanging contact info -- Biggie & Diddy offered him an opportunity. They gave him 3 days to write a verse for Biggie for 112's "Only You". If it was hot enough for Biggie to record, Mase would get signed. It was, and he was signed.

Conclusively, ghostwriting is apart of the business that is just as important as production and marketing. I had helped write an article on 'ghostwriting' for New Times Magazine (down here in South Florida) a few years back --- so I have tons of more stories & situations. For those interested, please feel free to ask aight.

PS --- I still have my credit research I used in my input for the magazine article...I'll post that up in the next post -- so yall can actually see some of the 'CREDITED' ghostwriting done in hip-hop.
 

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credit research for article...I'm sure some of yall will be surprised:


Jay-Z (Shawn Carter) [Lil' Lulu Publishing/EMI April Music, Inc.]
M. Bleek on "Coming of Age" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
M. Bleek's "All Types of sh*t" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
"Coming of Age (Da Sequel)" - (Memphis Bleek's verse) ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "If I" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Foxy's Bells" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Get Me Home" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Ill Na Na" - (Foxy's verse) ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "I'll Be" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Big Bad Mama” - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Hot Spot" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "I Can't" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "JOB" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Lil Kim's "Big Momma Thang" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Bugs Bunny - "Buggin" (from Spacejam sdtrk) - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Jermaine Dupri's "Money Ain't A Thang" - co-wrote by JayZ & ROC
Biggie's "Hypnotize" - co-wrote by D-Dot & JayZ
Diddy’s "Fake Thug Dedication" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Timbaland's "Indian Carpet" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Dr. Dre's "Still DRE" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Dr. Dre's "The Watcher 2" - ghost-wrote by JayZ & Rakim
Dr. Dre's "The Message" - co-wrote by JayZ, Rell, & Royce Da 5'9"
Snoop Dogg's "Intrology" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Pro The Spectacula's "Call Ya Boy" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Pro The Spectacula's "Handle Barz" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Slim Thug’s “I Ain’t Heard of That” - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Slim Thug’s “I Ain’t Heard of That RMX” - co-wrote by JayZ
Fort Minor’s “Where’d You Go” – co-wrote by JayZ & Mike Shinoda


Smitty (Varick D. Smith) [Bubo Music, Inc.]
B2K’s “Bump Bump Bump” - Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
ATL’s “Callin’ All Girls” – co-wrote by Smitty & R. Kelly
Will Smith’s “Miami” - ghost-wrote by Smitty
Brandy’s “Dance With Us” – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty & ROC
Diddy's "Bad Boys 4 Life" – Diddy’s verse co-wrote by Smitty & Black Rob
Diddy’s “And We” – Hook, Diddy’s, & Foxy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Loon’s “How You Want That” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Diddy’s “Show Me Your Soul” – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Diddy's "Shake Ya Tailfeather" – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Diddy’s “Girl I’m A Bad Boy” – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Baby & Diddy’s “Do That” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Truth Hurt’s “Cop” – Dr. Dre’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Truth Hurt’s “Benefit of the Doubt” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Truth Hurt’s “Hollywood” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Dr. Dre’s “The Wash”– ghost-wrote by Smitty
Dr. Dre’s “On The Boulevard” - co-wrote by Smitty & Knoc-Turnal
Urban Mystic’s “I Got That” - ghost-wrote by Smitty
Beyonce’s “Summertime” – co-wrote by Smitty


Nas (Nasir Jones) [Queens Music Inc./Ill Will Inc./Serchlite Publishing]
Will Smith’s “Just Cruisin” - ghost-wrote by Nas
Will Smith’s “Gettin’ Jiggy Wit It” - ghost-wrote by Nas
Will Smith’s “Yes Yes Ya’ll” - co-wrote by Nas & Skillz
Will Smith’s “Chasin’ Forever” - co-wrote by Nas & Skillz
AZ's "Mo Money, Mo murder" - (AZ's verse) co-wrote by Nas & AZ
Olu Dara's "The Jungle" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Affirmative Action" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Hardcore" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Encore" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Firm Fiasco" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Untouchable" - co-wrote by Nas & Mel Man
Foxy's Verse on "Firm Biz" - co-wrote by Nas & AZ
Foxy's Verse on "Executive Decision" co-wrote by Nas & Nature
Jermaine Dupri's "Turn It Out" - co-wrote by Nas & ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "I Gotta Have It" - co-wrote by Nas & Bryan M. Cox
Jermaine Dupri's "Still Gotta Have It" - co-wrote by Nas, Monica, & B. M. Cox
Cha Cha's "Momma" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Fat Joe's "Jon Blaze" - (Fat Joe's verse) ghost-wrote by Nas
Timbaland's "To My..." - ghost-wrote by Nas
Diddy’s “Journey Through The Life” - (Diddy's verse) ghost-wrote by Nas
RUN DMC's "Queen's Day" - (Run's & DMC's verses) co-wrote by Nas, Prodigy, & Havoc
Capone-N-Noreaga's "B EZ" - (Nore's verse) co-wrote by Nas & Capone
Kay Slay's "Too Much 4 Me" - (Foxy's verse) co-wrote by Nas
The Neptunes' "Popular Thug" - (Pharell's verse) ghost-wrote by Nas
Diddy’s “Everything I Love” - co-wrote by Common & Nas



JadaKiss (Jason Phillips) [Jae'Wons Publishing]
Diddy's "Senorita" - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Diddy’s verses on "Victory" - co-wrote by Jadakiss, Biggie, & ROC
Biggie’s "Mo Money Mo Problems" - (biggie’s & diddy's verse) - co-wrote by Mase, Jadakiss, & Ed Bernard
Biggie’s verse on “Last Days” - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Jermaine Dupri's "Hate Blood" - co-wrote by Jadakiss & ROC
Eve's "Fix Me" - (Eve's verse) co-wrote by Jadakiss
Eve's "Double R What" - (Eve's verse) co-wrote by Jadakiss
Charli Baltimore’s “Money” - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Cam’Ron’s “Horse & Carriage” – hook by Jadakiss, both verses co-wrote by Jadakiss
Mike City's "Leave The Block Alone" - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Angie Martinez's "Live From The Streets" - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
J-Lo's "Jenny From The Block" - (Style's verse) ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Mobb Deep's "One of Ours" - co-wrote by Jadakiss
Paris Hilton's "f!ghting Over Me" - hook & Fat Joe verse ghost-wrote by Jadakiss


Mase (Mason E. Betha) [M'Betha Publishing/Justin Combs Publishing Comp.]
Diddy’s "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" - ghost-wrote by Mase
112’s “Only You” (biggie’s verse) - ghost-wrote by Mase
112’s “Anywhere” (Lil Zane’s verse) - co-wrote by Mase & Lil Zane
Biggie’s "Mo Money Mo Problems" - (biggie’s & diddy's verse) - co-wrote by Mase, Jadakiss, & Ed Bernard
Camron’s “We Got It” – (both Mase/Cam’s verses) co-wrote by Mase & Cardan
Diddy’s "Friend" - ghost-wrote by Mase
Philly’s Most Wanted’s "Cross The Border" - ghost-wrote by Mase
JayZ’s “I Just Wanna Love You” - co-wrote by Mase, Pharell Williams, & JayZ


ROC aka Rocky (Rahman Muhammad Griffin) [ROC-Music Publishing]
Jermaine Dupri's "Money Ain't A Thang" - co-wrote by JayZ & ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "Turn It Out" - co-wrote by Nas & ROC
Diddy’s verses on "Victory" - co-wrote by Jadakiss, Biggie, & ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "Hate Blood" - co-wrote by ROC & Jadakiss
Jermaine Dupri's "Get Some" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "Get Your sh*t Right" - ghost-wrote by ROC & D-Dot
Jermaine Dupri's "Lay It Down" - co-wrote by ROC & Lil Mo
Jermaine Dupri's "Ballin Outta Control" - co-wrote by ROC & Nate Dogg
Mariah Carey’s “Loverboy REMIX” – song/hook co-wrote by L.Blackmon, T.Jenkins, M.Carey, & Cardan; (Da Brat’s verse) co-wrote by ROC & Cardan
Nick Cannon's "Whenever U Need Me" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "Stick Up" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "To My Mama" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's verse on "Hardball" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "I Can't Lose" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "The Future" - ghost-wrote by ROC & TI
Bow Wow's "The Don, The Dutch" - ghost-wrote by ROC & TI
Bow Wow's "Hey Little Momma" - ghost-wrote by ROC & TI


Ne-Yo (Shaffer Chimere Smith)[Zomba Music, Inc./Super Sayin Publishing]
TQ’s “Westside” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Let’s Roll” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Don’t Worry” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Lose My Cool” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Pedal to the Steel” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Away With the Summer Days” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Dance Floor Pt. 2” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Down For The Get Down” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Float Away” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “So Tight” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Marques Houston’s “That Girl” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Christina Milan’s “I’m Sorry” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Christina Milan’s “Y’all Ain’t Nothin” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Nivea’s “Still In Love” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mis-teeq’s “Scandalous” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Samantha Mumba’s “Always Come Back To Your Love” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Just Be Happy” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “The Hotness” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Cassidy’s “Kick It With Me” – vocals wrote by Ne-Yo
Jaiden’s “Escape” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Jalen’s “All I Need” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Boxie’s “Bridging The Gap” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Candace Jones’ “You And Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Heather Headley’s “The Letter” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Ruben Studdard’s “Feel Beautiful” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Cassie’s “Kiss Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Joe’s “It’s On You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario’s “Let Me Love You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Paula DeAnda’s “Walk Away” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Paula DeAnda’s “So Cold” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Paula DeAnda’s “When It Was Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Chris Brown’s “Like That” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Snoop Dogg’s “Let Me” – vocals wrote by Ne-Yo
Mary J Blige’s “Be Without You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario Vazquez’s “Gallery” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
The Blay’s “My Story” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Let Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Unfaithful” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “We Ride” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Beyonce’s “Irreplaceable” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Beyonce’s “Hollywood” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Marques Houston’s “Wonderful” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Elliot Yamin’s “Wait For You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Joe’s “If I Was Your Man” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Musiq’s “Ms. Philadelphia” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario’s “If” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario’s “What’s It Gonna Be” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Don’t Stop The Music” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo


For clarification --- these are just KNOWN and/or CREDITED instances of ghostwriting. Believe me, there are tons more, that come to light. I will try to start updating this, and adding more as I learn about it. I hope yall enjoy!
 

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The left side wrote their own lyrics, and the right side are plagiarizers:lolbron:

To ply devil's advocate, Nas' Queens Get The Money was produced by Jay Electronic, but if you listen to the song, you can understand why a lot of people say Jay actually wrote it as well. It literally sounds like Nas doing a Jay Electronica impression.
 

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To ply devil's advocate, Nas' Queens Get The Money was produced by Jay Electronic, but if you listen to the song, you can understand why a lot of people say Jay actually wrote it as well. It literally sounds like Nas doing a Jay Electronica impression.
:ohhh: I just rapped that shyt in jay electronica voice and now I understand why everybody say he wrote. It sounds just like him no lie, from the way he rhyme his words and shyt
 

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How the fukk was Cross the border written by Ma$e if he was already retired by then :rudy: alot of this shyt is :duck:

I can't even fathom jadakiss writing the hook for horse & carriage :mjlol: that shyt got mase written all over it

retired as an artist has nothing to do with still being able to write bruh. i mean cmon. not saying it happened at that case.

but alot of it aint facts tho. lists like those been running on the net since early 00's. sometimes it is accurate. but sometimes its cuz said rappers
sample/use 1 line and they have to give up publishing for doing it to get it cleared, sometimes its when you just sample, sometimes its them not owning
their own publishing which is very common & the list goes on.

and yall right with the ghost-writer shyt. how are they ghostwriters if theyre credited?
 

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How the fukk was Cross the border written by Ma$e if he was already retired by then :rudy: alot of this shyt is :duck:

I can't even fathom jadakiss writing the hook for horse & carriage :mjlol: that shyt got mase written all over it
My nikka listen to that song that's made flow al throughout that song.
 

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Now I don't know if you want to take Nas' word for it, but he claims he didn't write Gettin' Jiggy wit it:

Nas said:
www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/233t3x/i_am_nas_amaa/
Q:
How did you end up (allegedly) ghostwriting for Will Smith?

Edit: The song getting jiggy wit it.

Alright, let's clear this up once and for all.

I hung out with Will in the studio. And watched him write it. It was a fun studio session, and I said a line or two or three to him. It wasn't that serious. Will Smith wrote that song.

But seriously, I watched him have fun making that record on his own, and Will is a true MC.
 
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