Is Jamaican culture just as influential as ADOS/FBLA or more?

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:comeon: there's not even a concept of a "black" community w/o ADOS




son must be talking about Boston/skewed perception of NYC because many returned back South, because ADOS are all over the North East:mjlol:

That bamma from fukking London lol, their whole concept of "black community" over in the UK is different compared to over here lol :russ:
 

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Ive been trading crypto and fukking all day. Excuse me for not being in here crying about how much better of a victim i am than the next black man. These diaspora war threads tire me.

There is a huge world out there waiting to get fukked. Instead of arguing on the internet all day with random bums, you guys need to be making your fukking dreams a reality.

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breh you are just saying anything now stfup

the northeast? Anywhere outside the 5 boroughs,jersey city and your boston area is mainly Ados/fba:mindblown:

immigrants(2/3rd gens) stay in their bubbles and think that reflects the nation:dead:

Africans are heavy in Texas too but yeah this is mostly facts
 

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A "battle of the bands" R&B concert is not a Jamaican DJ sound system clash. There were tons of "battle of the bands" concerts before this Motown set in 1964. This was not a new invention. Jamaican culture in the 1970s had no direct influence on Hip Hop music but this shyt had direct influence on Jamaican DJ sound system battles decades later. Right. Got ya. Jamaicans traveled to the US after World War II where they witnessed and brought back cutting edge recording and DJing sound systems that weren't available in their own country yet. They also brought back blues and R&b records, being that Jamaica did not yet have it's own recording industry for the most part. From there it took on a life of it's own. What a revelation, genius. Again, American citizens in general, including those of African descent, had access to recording and instrumentation equipment that was not yet available in the Caribbean for antoher few decades to come. How does this negate or lay claim to the unique musical developments that eventually took place in those countries? They'd still be playing on pots and pans if it wasn't for you? LMAO. Cac st0rmfr0nt logic being played out by black people to discredit other black people. Crazy. You're not as smart as you'd like to think you are.

The truth about jamaican music is it would have sounded like this instrumentally



and this vocally



If they never absorbed ADOS musical culture/traits. This isn't something we're making up: The Jamaican OGs of Jamaican pop culture have said this and have also acknowledged their influences from ADOS. They even imitated/imported ADOS Jazz cutting contests/battle of the bands that would give way to their sound clashes



Jazz came early to the island. Daniel Neely is an ethnomusicologist who studies mento, a calypso-sounding but distinctly Jamaican folk music that came out of the creolization of the quadrille dance songs that slaves were forced to perform for their masters dating back to the 1700s. He has found newspaper references to jazz as far back as the 1920s.


"I have articles with the word jazz used as if it were not a new thing," Neely says. "I can say with certainty that jazz was in Jamaica by the early '20s, if not earlier. In fact, I have read suggestions that jazz was in Jamaica as early as the late teens
. It's likely that the Gleaner wouldn't pay attention," he says of the leading Jamaican newspaper, which has published since 1834 and, until relatively recently, ignored downtown cultural trends in favor of the upper crust.

Neely says that the Ward Theatre, which still stands in the heart of downtown Kingston, kept a ledger of its performances. "Along with several concerts by sailors in port in the late teens, there were numerous minstrel groups from America who could have introduced jazz. Also, Marcus Garvey was organizing concerts in the teens," he says, invoking the name of the Jamaican firebrand activist and entrepreneur who is now a national hero. "I don't know if he had jazz in them explicitly, but it's possible that with his international connections jazz got to Jamaica rather quickly. However, it wasn't until the mid-1930s that organized, annual dance-band competitions began being held in Kingston. Some of the bands that competed in these competitions included the King's Rhythm Aces and the Rhythm Raiders. A major performer of that era was Milton McPherson. They were very, very popular."

Carlos Malcolm, 69, remembers his dad playing in one of these musical throwdowns: "In 1936 my father took an orchestra to Jamaica called the Jazz Aristocrats from Panama to play at Liberty Hall in a competition with Jamaican jazz musicians." Malcolm is a trombonist, composer and arranger who formed the Afro-Jamaican Rhythms in 1962 after conversations with Machito and Mongo Santamaria. His group was by far the tightest and most advanced ska group in the era, seamlessly blending Jamaican folk music and jazz and easily mixing harmonic and rhythmic complexities into their always grooving dance-band sound. He lived in Panama as a youth because, like so many other West Indians, his trombone-playing father went there to work on the Panama Canal.

In the early 1940s two U.S. military bases opened in Jamaica, and soldiers and sailors would trade records with the locals, sometimes in exchange for trips to houses of ill repute. A USO club on Old Hope Road in Kingston provided entertainment for the servicemen and work for Jamaican musicians. "World War II really decimated the big bands in the United States," Malcolm says, "but the big bands in Jamaica were going full blast all the way through the war. Because there was no recording industry there, [the music has] been lost."

"The whole tradition of the dance bands in Jamaica, a lot of that musicianship was developed on the matrix of jazz," says longtime Jamaican broadcaster Dermot Hussey, now a programmer for XM Satellite Radio. "Those musicians used to play arrangements and scores that they got out of England, largely, but also Ellington or Erskine Hawkins or whoever. There was always a love for the music in the country, especially among the musicians. When jazz changed to bebop in the '40s, Jamaican musicians were right there and abreast of what was happening. American music has really been like a colonizing agent in that it really has permeated almost every corner of the globe."

The island's 1940s big-band scene birthed two groups of musicians: those who left Jamaica to make their mark on the jazz world, such as trumpeter Dizzy Reece, who left for England in 1948, and alto saxophonist Joe Harriott, who left in 1951, and those who continued to play the hotel and club circuit right through the birth of Jamaica's indigenous recording industry in the 1950s and new musical creations in the 1960s.

Jazz Articles: Jazz to Ska Mania - By Christopher Porter — Jazz Articles


It wasn't until R&B came in, along with soundsystems that the popularity of the swing bands died




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From early in the 20th century, Jamaica produced many notable jazz musicians. In this development the enlightened policy of the Alpha Boys School in Kingston, which provided training and encouragement in music education for its pupils, was very influential. Also significant was the brass band tradition of the island, strengthened by opportunities for musical work and training in military contexts. However, limited scope for making a career playing jazz in Jamaica resulted in many local jazz musicians leaving the island to settle in London or in the United States

that's why the main early ska musicians were jazz musicians first








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Anyone who doubts what I'm about to say, just check the receipts I've posted..........but the key to how big any of these nations/groups are to modern Pop culture all seems to be directly linked to how much of the ADOSian source they pulled from; as I already stated, this is easily verifiable. I'm about to list the groups/nations below:


1. Who were the first Africans to have mainstream impact on modern western pop?

Ans: The same group that had the earliest /consistent contact with with post-slavery era, ADOS culture = South Africans




2. What Latin group had the most impact on western pop/usa pop up until about 1960?

Ans - the latin group that formed the most bonds with ADOS on USA soil and then turned it into their own musical stews = Cubans




3. What Latin group created the first genre to make a wave on the USA pop charts?

Ans - the latin group with the longest interaction with ADOS culture = Nuyoricans








4. What West Indian group has the biggest impact on western/global pop?

Ans- the one that studied/appropriated ADOS musical culture the most! = Jamaica







5. What South American group had most impact on western pop?

Ans- The nation of South America who looked towards ADOS culture the most for musical ideas = Brazil

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6. What European/white nation had the most impact on global pop?

Ans- the nation/area that exclusively looked to ADOS culture and has never downplayed this fact = UK

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....yall see the recurring theme?:sas2:



I forgot the most popular exported sound to the West from the Horn of Africa:mjpls:


The beat goes on
Ethio-jazz is a product of migration and heroic ingenuity

The hybrid genre is both international and inimitably Ethiopian


TO WESTERN EARS, the music seems both foreign and familiar. Its mood stretches from sultry and haunting to upbeat and vibrant. Soulful Western undertones are audible, yet the overall impression is distinctly and inimitably Ethiopian. Now a rich musical export, the evolution of “Ethio-jazz”, as this hybrid genre is known, and its growing global renown are a tale of back-and-forth migration and the alchemical fusion of ideas. The dramatic saga involves political upheaval, accidental epiphanies, a series of dogged and inspired individuals—and Hollywood.

Today, says Samuel Yirga, a pianist and composer, Ethio-jazz is a calling and way of life for many Ethiopian musicians. In 2020 there were new releases from stars of the genre including Mulatu Astatke (pictured), a visionary percussionist and keyboardist, and Hailu Mergia, an accordionist and band leader. “Sons of Ethiopia”, a cult classic of 1984 by the band Admas that mixes pop, funk and jazz, has just been re-released. Yet the story of the mesmeric sound began almost a century ago, in Jerusalem.

Visiting that city in 1924, the leader who would later become Emperor Haile Selassie was greeted by a brass band, which was made up of orphaned survivors of the Armenian genocide. He was impressed, and promptly invited the musicians to live in Ethiopia, along with their band leader, Kevork Nalbandian. There the group was known as “Arba Lijoch”, Amharic for “The Forty Children”.

The arrival of Arba Lijoch in Addis Ababa was a revolutionary moment in the country’s cultural history. An indigenous musical tradition based on stringed instruments began to morph into one revolving around large brass bands. Nalbandian went on to compose the Ethiopian national anthem and to teach musicians from around the country. Later his nephew, Nerses Nalbandian, took on his mission, training performers including future giants of modern Ethiopian music such as Alemayehu Eshete and Tilahun Gessesse, both renowned singers. In Addis Ababa, says Aramazt Kalayjian, a film-maker, the younger Nalbandian is known as “the godfather” of modern Ethiopian music.

World music
This formative period was the overture to the pivotal career of Mulatu, the next key figure in the story. Unusually for the era, in the late 1950s Mulatu was educated not in Africa but in Wales, afterwards studying music in London and Boston. But it was in the mid-1960s in New York, where he encountered John Coltrane and other musicians, that he honed a new sound that he called Ethio-jazz—a marriage between the distinct pentatonic scales that define most traditional Ethiopian music and the kind that are the basis of most Western music. The result, as summarised by Ermanno Becchis, a producer, “is sinuously scientific, but truly magical”.

Mulatu returned home to Ethiopia—and in the late 1960s and 1970s its capital earned the nickname “Swinging Addis”. Nightlife flourished in a musical golden age, as did pioneering record labels such as Amha Records. “People were having the time of their lives,” Amha Eshete, the label’s founder, recalls in a documentary about the period. Then, in 1974, Ethiopia’s monarchy was overthrown by a Marxist junta known as the Derg, which imposed new rules and curfews.

“The Derg’s policies shut down most musical performances in Ethiopia between 1974 and 1991 and cut off contact with European and American popular-musical styles,” explains Kay Kaufman Shelemay of Harvard University. Many artists went into exile; the emerging scene was quashed. Or so it seemed.

Like its birth, the revival of Ethio-jazz came about through travel and serendipity. At a party in Poitiers in the mid-1980s Francis Falceto, a French producer and musicologist, happened to hear the recorded voice of Mahmoud Ahmed, an Ethiopian singer. The Derg regime was “a musical nightmare”, laments Mr Falceto, the tale’s next hero. But in 1991 the junta was overthrown—and Mr Falceto could embark on his self-appointed mission to share modern Ethiopian music with the world. In 1997 he released the first volume of an anthology called “Éthiopiques”.

Thirty more volumes have followed; the next, number 32, will be called “Nalbandian the Ethiopian” and commemorate Nerses Nalbandian, Mr Falceto says. Although, by his own account, he is “getting old and a bit tired”, he hopes to put out four or five more volumes. But his series has already transformed the fortunes of Ethiopian artists. The fourth volume, featuring Mulatu, definitively put Ethio-jazz on the world map. After its release, Jim Jarmusch, a film director, used Mulatu’s music on the soundtrack for “Broken Flowers”, an award-winning film of 2005. The movie, says Ms Kaufman Shelemay of Harvard, brought Ethio-jazz to the ears of an even wider international audience.

For some outsiders, Ethiopia is predominantly associated with political strife—such as the bloody military action recently launched by the government in the Tigray region—and humanitarian crises. But another version of the country still thrums from the bars of Addis Ababa to the stages of Glastonbury. Hip-hop artists such as Kanye West have sampled Ethio-jazz on their tracks; the country’s music schools continue to produce innovative performers. And a new generation of expatriate musicians has helped popularise a genre rooted in Africa but nurtured around the world. “For people newly coming to it,” says Berhana, a singer based in America, “I love that it serves as an introduction to a music and culture that runs so deep.” ■

This article appeared in the Books & arts section of the print edition under the headline "The beat goes on"


Ethio-jazz is a product of migration and heroic ingenuity



(james brown influence all over lol)


Swinging Addis' -- a film about the rise and fall and redemption of a group of spectacular Ethiopian Jazz musicians who in the swinging 60′s ignited an explosive cultural revolution in Addis Ababa. Their music was sublime but this golden era was brought to an end by the military regime that took over the country and forced the musicians into exile and jail. Now, after many years, they are back
on a world stage, making up for lost time and still swinging. Swinging Addis is the Ethiopian 'Buena Vista Social Club'...but with a dose of sex, tedj and rock and roll.

The project is to be directed by veteran filmmaker Henrique Goldman and co-produced by Superplex Pictures and Mango Films. We are working with Francis Falceto, producer of the Ethiopiques series as a consultant, as well as Ethiopian stars Mulatu Astatke, Alemayahu Eshete, Mahmoud Ahmed, Getatchew Mekurya, Tsegue Maryam Guebro, The Ethiopian Television Archives, Ethiopian Film Initiative, Gem TV, The Yared Music School Addis and top cinematographer Luca Bigazzi. We are in the advanced stages of development and are currently seeking finance for the film. Please get in touch for more details.
 

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yeah, I listened he caught a little but came right out of it. not flowing beat w/ bar. Compare with the blues act from 1925




or this jug band blues from mid 1920s (this one even has stop-time that you often hear in dancehall songs lol)



just to clarify with an example



starting at the time-stamp, these "pauses" are what's called stop-time. This was really common in ragtime, and early blues and jazz






In tap dancing, jazz, and blues, stop-time is an accompaniment pattern interrupting, or stopping, the normal time and featuring regular accented attacks on the first beat of each or every other measure, alternating with silence or instrumental solos.[3] Stop-time occasionally appears in ragtime music.[2] The characteristics of stop-time are heavy accents, frequent rests, and a stereotyped cadential pattern.[1] Stop-timing may create the impression that the tempo has changed, though it has not, as the soloist continues without accompaniment.[4] Stop-time is common in African-American popular music including R&B, soul music, and led to the development of the break in hip hop.[5]

In Louis Armstrongs solo on "Potato Head Blues" they go into stop-time



Muddy Waters is doing stop-time on "Hoochie Coochie Man"

 
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