Is Jay-Z the consensus GoAT at this point?

[Boolean]

nas resurgence.

When was this my nikka

 

[Balan]

Ad hominem attacks and red herrings about Nas...




If you guys really believed in your points, it seems like you could just let them stand their own merits...

Try to be better...

Wait. So when you say that Jay hasnt dropped a good album in 7 years we are supposed to treat it like a fact but the same logic doesnt apply when I make a similar comment about Nas.

Why? Just because Im a Jay fan doesnt mean Im automatically hating when I give my honest opinion on Nas.

Nikka by now everyone knows that your a low key Jay hater who just tries to act like some sort of a impartial poster to get his opinions respected.

Stop this bullshyt charade already. We see right through you

 

[No1]

The crazy thing about this is that.. I love 80s hip hop and i'm a 90s baby. My original username on here was a G Rap pun, I love KRS and Kane for example. But the flows and beats from that era didn't always age so well like you said. And you're also right that the only people to blame for them falling off in relevance etc are the old heads . The thing about Jay's situation that has people looking at him with the is more than age, it's also his content and the way they want him to be a father figure socially as well since he has more money. But at the same time, they reject his attempts at conscious music for the most part and say they're pandering etc. He's in an awkward position artistically that makes people look back on his shyt poorly. I don't think he needs to step aside, but there is strength to the idea that since he's so rich now he can 'stop dumbing down to double his dollars' and make something more focused and timeless.

I agree with basically everything you said, but the 80s flows and production can sound dated to a lot of people. My 16 year old cousin thinks half of that shyt all sounds like variations of the same beat and flow. A lot of that stuff I listened to just to be a scholar on the game. I do like a lot of the 80s rappers though, I was just making the point. I never really did sit down to go through KRS' discography though, but that's another discussion. Honestly, at this point Jay-Z is focused on making hit records because his branding is based on being hot and he's trying to develop an empire. The irony in that is that he sits there and encourages J. Cole and Wale to make the best album they possibly can and doesn't pressure his artists about sales all that much. I really think his problem is who is in the studio with him. There aren't any emcees in there anymore. "Steel sharpens steel," as he would say. I still think he has one classic left in him if he sat down and focused on spitting the most intricate rhymes ever. But yeah, the focus on Jay's content is only because of how big he is, I've never seen anything like it before.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

I agree with basically everything you said, but the 80s flows and production can sound dated to a lot of people. My 16 year old cousin thinks half of that shyt all sounds like variations of the same beat and flow. A lot of that stuff I listened to just to be a scholar on the game. I do like a lot of the 80s rappers though, I was just making the point. I never really did sit down to go through KRS' discography though, but that's another discussion. Honestly, at this point Jay-Z is focused on making hit records because his branding is based on being hot and he's trying to develop an empire. The irony in that is that he sits there and encourages J. Cole and Wale to make the best album they possibly can and doesn't pressure his artists about sales all that much. I really think his problem is who is in the studio with him. There aren't any emcees in there anymore. "Steel sharpens steel," as he would say. I still think he has one classic left in him if he sat down and focused on spitting the most intricate rhymes ever. But yeah, the focus on Jay's content is only because of how big he is, I've never seen anything like it before.

I'm just trying to let this disrespect being leveled at him for falling off spur a TBA-esque classic. One thing you gotta say about Hov is that he keeps an eye on the streets to see what's going on, and he can see . I also agree that he still has a classic in him. I was watching live videos of him a while back to see whether he's actually physically incapable of flowing like he used to, and he's fine. He just needs to take a step back from this superlayered production shyt and make an old man swag album we all know he has in him

Only rapper that has to produce classic material at 40+ to get the respect he deserves

 

[OG Talk]

Wait. So when you say that Jay hasnt dropped a good album in 7 years we are supposed to treat it like a fact but the same logic doesnt apply when I make a similar comment about Nas.

Why? Just because Im a Jay fan doesnt mean Im automatically hating when I give my honest opinion on Nas.

Nikka by now everyone knows that your a low key Jay hater who just tries to act like some sort of a impartial poster to get his opinions respected.

Stop this bullshyt charade already. We see right through you

More ad hominem attacks? You can't help yourself huh?

I have no desire to defend Nas... You brought him up, not me..

Since I'm in a good mood, I'm giving you one more chance to debate like a grown man before I place you in the virtual black hole which is my ignore list...

 

[Balan]

More ad hominem attacks? You can't help yourself huh?

I have no desire to defend Nas... You brought him up, not me..

Since I'm in a good mood, I'm giving you one more chance to debate like a grown man before I place you in the virtual black hole which is my ignore list...

This is a thread talking about the GOAT. Several rappers have been mentioned already. Nas was brought up by others before me.

Seeing as your a closet Nas stan, I couldnt help but give my opinion on how long has it been since the last good Nas album dropped and at the same time present it as fact like you did.

 

[Mike Otherz]

When was this my nikka

******, Untitled, Life Is Good. Hip Hop Is Dead.

 

[BlackMajik]

1 starred

Hell No

 

[TEKBEATZ]

You tell me

 

[2stainz]

yall made me plat, I love yall fam

 

[Bolzmark]

-FACT - Biggie / Pac Dominated the 90s sales
-FACT - Eminem / Nelly Dominated the 2,000's sales
-FACT - Biggie, Pac, Eminem, 50, Luda, Nelly have more #1 hits than him
-FACT - Jay-Z sold the most albums only 1 year in his career, 2006 (Kindom come, worst album, top 5 players injured: 50, Kanye, Eminem, Wayne didn't drop albums)
-FACT - Eminem is the best selling rap artist of all time
-FACT - Biggie, Pac, Eminem average more platinum plaques per album than Jay
-FACT - Jay-Z only has the 16th best selling rap album of all time, Biggie, 2pac, Eminem all have albums above him
-FACT - Eminem, Lil Wayne, 50 and almost Kanye, have all sold 1 million in their first week.. Something Jay-Z has openly said he wish he could do (but NEVER will)
-FACT - Lil Wayne has the most hits on the Billboard hot 100 of any rapper ever
-FACT - While Big / Pac were alive, Jay-Z never went better than platinum... He went Multi the year after Biggie released his last album.
-FACT - Jay-Z has 12 #1 albums... Graduation / Curtis were released on same day... Graduation #1 album.... Curtis #2 album.... American Gangster #1 album... Curtis outsold American Gangster. (translation, #1 album means NOTHING, the stats above are the meaningful stats)



Jay-Z on Tom Ford: "Numbers don't lie, Check the Scoreboard!" ----> ScoreBoard


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#FactsOnly


Ps, How can a Camel be Goat? . .....

You know the problem with your "FACTS"? In every instance, Jay is not far from the top. And no other rapper is. Like a Nelly dominated at one time, but Jay was close behind. A few years later, Nelly has TOTALLY disappeared, yet Jay still there. And of course you know this post is WAYYYYY to influenced by sales and charting.

 

[Ziggiy]

Nas is The GOAT. I don't even think Jay could argue this at this point

 

[Cᵣₐₛₕ&ₜₕₑCₒᵤₚ]

f*** no

How long has he been utter trash now

 

[the rhyme king]

I agree with basically everything you said, but the 80s flows and production can sound dated to a lot of people. My 16 year old cousin thinks half of that shyt all sounds like variations of the same beat and flow. A lot of that stuff I listened to just to be a scholar on the game. I do like a lot of the 80s rappers though, I was just making the point. I never really did sit down to go through KRS' discography though, but that's another discussion. Honestly, at this point Jay-Z is focused on making hit records because his branding is based on being hot and he's trying to develop an empire. The irony in that is that he sits there and encourages J. Cole and Wale to make the best album they possibly can and doesn't pressure his artists about sales all that much. I really think his problem is who is in the studio with him. There aren't any emcees in there anymore. "Steel sharpens steel," as he would say. I still think he has one classic left in him if he sat down and focused on spitting the most intricate rhymes ever. But yeah, the focus on Jay's content is only because of how big he is, I've never seen anything like it before.

jay-z to me has never been a intricate rhymer he has always been a metaphor wordplay type dude.
so i fail to see your point there

 

[2stainz]

RD anniversary bump