Is Mariota on RG3's level as a prospect?

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I wasn't saying anything bad about RGIII off the field. But he didn't seem as unflappable to me on the field - ran too much, was more inconsistent, lost a lot more, looked bad in some big games and amazing in others. Overall I thought he had an amazing college career and I had been a big fan of his since near the end of his freshman season...but I've never seen someone as consistent game in and game out as Mariota.
 

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You comparing Vince Young's rookie season to RG3's?? :dahell:
Yeah. Neither had polished pocket passing ability coming out of college, both flashed greatness as rookies then fell off ridiculously hard after. Pretty good comparison if you ask me
 

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Yeah. Neither had polished pocket passing ability coming out of college, both flashed greatness as rookies then fell off ridiculously hard after. Pretty good comparison if you ask me
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RG3's worst is still better than anything Vince has ever done as an NFL QB....
 

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RG3's worst is still better than anything Vince has ever done as an NFL QB....
But the point isn't that they were equally as good as rookies, because they weren't. The point of the comparison is that a good rookie year doesn't mean a good career
 

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But the point isn't that they were equally as good as rookies, because they weren't. The point of the comparison is that a good rookie year doesn't mean a good career
that's the whole point. Vince Young didn't have a good rookie Year. he only won OROY because the team went 8-8. :comeon:
 

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By decision making, I mean the fact that he always makes the right read and always makes the right decision. A large number of his plays have two run reads and two pass reads (and yes, sometimes even three pass reads), and those reads need to be made incredibly quickly. Mariota makes the right read over...and over...and over.

By demeanor, I mean that he's unshakable. A bad play happens, he comes right back. He makes a few bad throws, comes back and completes 11 in a row. Gets a big hit, jumps right back up and congratulates the guy on the hit (weirds defenders out). Ask the UCLA guys - they were shocked last year when he got hit out of bounds, and he jumped up and yelled to the ref, "Don't throw on that, that was a legit hit!" He sprained his knee in that game and no one even knew, and he played the next four games on that sprained knee without missing a down. Against WSU the whole team was falling apart after the injuries and he got sacked 7 times...and still completed 21-25 for 350 yards, 5 TDs, and 0 INTs. He's always ready for easy games, always ready for big games, always looks cool as ice.

And yes, off the field every single one of his teammates respects the heck out of him, he never gets in any trouble or does the slightest thing to hurt his team, and everyone would die for him out there because they know he puts his whole heart out for them.

thanks for the detailed response

While I do see what you mean with his reads, I can't concede on the decision making just cause nobody gives Robert, Wilson or Kaep credit for making those kind of option reads and contributing to the run game. And the reads are easier cause it's not really mariota outsmarting the defense its the o coordinator. That's the drawback of the up tempo offense for his pro game. Mariota doesn't read the defense much at all, his job is to get the line and start the play up as quick as possible.

As for demeanor... idk. lots of guys do the stuff you described. robert included. before 2013 :sadcam:

And off the field, you aint hear bout the speeding? The only thing I'll give you is having his team mates respect only cause I don't know how it was in Baylor but it's been a weak point for Griff in the NFL
 

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rg3 was making some nice throws in college, i'd say he was easily a better prospect
 

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thanks for the detailed response

While I do see what you mean with his reads, I can't concede on the decision making just cause nobody gives Robert, Wilson or Kaep credit for making those kind of option reads and contributing to the run game. And the reads are easier cause it's not really mariota outsmarting the defense its the o coordinator. That's the drawback of the up tempo offense for his pro game. Mariota doesn't read the defense much at all, his job is to get the line and start the play up as quick as possible.

As for demeanor... idk. lots of guys do the stuff you described. robert included. before 2013 :sadcam:

And off the field, you aint hear bout the speeding? The only thing I'll give you is having his team mates respect only cause I don't know how it was in Baylor but it's been a weak point for Griff in the NFL

I've watched a lot of QB's run the read option. Our high school team ran the triple-veer (won our 4th state champ in 12 years my senior year, so don't mock the veer), and I've been following Oregon closely the whole time they've been running it, as well as paying attention to Nevada and some of the other schools.

And yes, the QB makes a big contribution to the run game at all those places. But I'm telling you, the decisions that Mariota is making and the decisions that every other QB I've watched was making are night and day.

Dixon was awesome in the Oregon offense because it fooled the heck out of everyone and he could make every play, but he was clearly just going with the set option every time. Masoli was a tough SOB but he couldn't really do much. Thomas was a far better passer, but I watched him make the wrong read over and over, especially on run plays (that killed them as much as anything in the NCG).

Going to other teams, Colin K never impressed me with his decision making, even at Nevada. He was a great athlete with all the tools, but he had to lean on those tools and on the offense to succeed.

Mariota, on the other hand...if you've seen those other guys run this offense, and then watch Mariota run it, it just blows you away. He does the right thing over..and over..and over again. It's not just the OC calling the plays, because these are package plays where there are 2-3 completely different things going on at the same time. Mariota has to read the defense in that 7 seconds that he takes to get up to the line, and then make an incredibly quick read to take advantage right away when the play starts. Watch the tape - sometimes there will be a read-option run on one side AND a WR screen being set up on the other side AND the tight end running a post. They've got lots of variations of that. Mariota chooses between the two run options on one side and the two pass options on the other side in a couple seconds. Yes, he's not putting the other players in position, but package plays allow there to be multiple reads for him to choose from even when the play has already started, and he's a bloody technician in taking advantage of that.
 
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