Is Method Man's career a disappointment or underrated?

[up in here]

Its not always about lazy or hollywood. Y'all do realize these dudes got lives. Not only did he go through it with the IRS but Mefs wife was fighting cancer for a few years. shyt like that is guaranteed to fukk up your momentum.

As far as the music, he may not have stayed at the forefront of the mainstream but I have enjoyed everything he has put out, solos and collab's. i honestly cant say he has put out any wack shyt. so yeah if you measure the music by the enjoyment it gives you Mef is good in my books

 

[Methodical]

I can understand why you said that but at least he has one classic album (Tical) and two solid albums ( Tical 2000: Judgement Day, 4:21... Tha Day After ). I'm impressed with these two solids albums.

He has classic with Wu-Tang albums (Enter The Wu-Tang: Chamber 36, Forever), solid album (The W)

He has a classic album with Redman which is called "Blackout"

Being a guest appearance and he was almost killing everybody on their shyt.

I had high expectations of him but he isn't that bad that you guys made it out to be.

Your thread should be "Is Jadakiss' career a disappointment" cause I had very very high expectation of Jadakiss but he kept disappointing me. He's a way better MCs than Method Man but none of his albums aren't better than Method Man albums.

I bet you........which next album you gonna be exciting?......Method Man's Crystal Meth gonna be better than bs Jadakiss tries to do with his next album just for selling....so f*ck that man.

THE ANSWER IS JADAKISS!

 

[Methodical]

Exactly. Tical is a good album and I enjoy it but it's not classic at all. Every good album from the 90s isn't a classic

You have people called Rick Ross albums and Lil' Wayne, Drake albums are classic and yet you said Tical isn't a classic?

Are you telling me that any Rick Ross albums and Lil' Wanye albums, Drake albums that people called "classic" better than Tical?.....ARE YOU OUT YOUR F*CKING MIND?

 

[Methodical]

uh,...
big was rapping up to method's skill level on rtd.
method was not chasing or trying to keep up with big.
big was keeping up with method, joe.

which, is why the charles dikkens rhymes is so otherworldly,...
as it just illustrates shyt that meth could do....
a lesser emcee like big at that time had to ramp up and stay on some ill shyt to do.

big was not even solidified in his skillset when that posse cut/feature was recorded.

method was already a solidified styles era legend, at that exact time.
not greatly, but they are still there and sore spots in his career.
that will be talked about, by those who keep it all the way real on any and everyone.


art barr

Hey @Rapmastermind What do you have say about that cause we all know you you love Biggie so much .

 

[Art Barr]

Method Man is a better rapper than Redman

not at all,....
as red has never had a period of impotency as an emcee.
meth, before he re-ramped up.
had that period where he fell off, skillwise and did not translate well to the change in sonic landscape, well.

red has never EVER had a problem, being able to translate to any change in sonic landscape ever.
as a matter of fact, red has been the first to experiment and master changes in sonic landscape in one session.
on very difficult bpm and production choices with no issue in execution skillwise.


art barr

 

[BUSINESS AS USUAL]

Flop

 

[The Dust King]

somebody s gonna call tical a classic

it is

People have a tendency to call everybody's first album classic.

true but thats usually the classics

starvin artists create masterpieces

and tical is the illmatic of the wu-tang discography

short album filled wit classics imo

 

[Majestyx]

not at all,....
as red has never had a period of impotency as an emcee.
meth, before he re-ramped up.
had that period where he fell off, skillwise and did not translate well to the change in sonic landscape, well.

red has never EVER had a problem, being able to translate to any change in sonic landscape ever.
as a matter of fact, red has been the first to experiment and master changes in sonic landscape in one session.
on very difficult bpm and production choices with no issue in execution skillwise.


art barr

red is better than meth by a large margin.

 

[unseen]

meth was probably the 3rd worst out the wu

he only became the first popular member because he had the most commercially friendly flow out of all of them

deck and gza flow was just too smart, rae/ghost were rapping nonsensical shyt at the time, rza/masta/odb just had too grimey flows

his first album is def a classic due to rza's input. anybody saying otherwise is stupid. the album was dark and eerie while the rest of his shyt was nowhere near as edgy.

meth flow wise was consistent but his lyricism just never had that oomph to me. it was too basic. when dude started focusing on acting he just became average. plus he kinda had that goofy flow like redman. not as much but i never cared for rappers that rap about goofy shyt. could never get into redman at all.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

Most of you guys already said everything.....in terms of him not having a classic. Tical 2 being too long and bloated....but I'll add this.

I see Method Man as being the Rasheed Wallace of hip hop.....Rasheed Wallace had all the talent to be the best player in the league at some point but was just comfortable being a team player. Sheed was unstoppable force in the low-post, a terrific defender, and a good rebounder, could have gone down as top 5 all time if he just asserted his dominance on a regular basis.......he just didn't care to do it all the time. He just played his role and continued to be one of the most selfless stars the NBA has ever seen. I think any other talent with Method Man's skill set probably completely ditches their Wu/Redman affiliations.....and just does his own thing on his way to superstardom.

 

[Woodrow]

Damn. Good question man, it feels like a cop out answer but I'd say both.

He underachieved a bit due to laziness I think. .. but it's almost hard for me to hold that against him because he was in a group full of straight killers on the mic.

At the same time Meth is damn near the perfect emcee, the flows, the way he carries himself, his look (PAUSE) like if I were asked what is an emcee I'd find a pic of Meth circa 1994ish.

it wasnt laziness imo. meth was probably one of the hardest working dudes in the clan. always showed up to guest on the other albums, always ready to put in work on the group albums, even when he wasnt focused.

i hate to be the one to say it... but he just wasnt as good as his peers. all-time flow. not a strong lyricist. above average, but not a great song-writer. never evolved as an mc the way ghost, rae, red, and his all-time great contemporaries did.

u listen to the first wu album and meth is no worse than the second best mc on it. and easily the most consistent, imo. steals the show every time he pops up.

by the time wu-tang forever dropped, ghost, rae, rza had all passed him. deck arguably. odb passed him on return to the 36, but was already falling off by group album two.

red demolished him every time they shared a mic, save for one or two joints off blackout (cheka and y.o.u. spring to mind).

ghost and rae both have albums that could probably make the top 10 all-time. meth doesnt have an album that makes the top 100.

wu wouldnt be shyt without meth. but he'll always be remembered more for his impact over the music. even with some truly great, all-time singles (m.e.t.h.o.d. man, the whut, shadowboxin, meth vs chef, ice cream, mind made up, dirty dancin, bring the pain, ur all i need) his overall body of work is just... ok. definitely not comparable to ob4cl, ghosts entire catalogue, liquid swords, return to the 36, etc.

and when u expand the lens to look at albums from non-wu peers?

show me a meth album fukkin with the best efforts from jay, nas, big, cube, busta, snoop, kast, 'face, pac, black moon, dmx, etc.

u cant. not a shot at meth's place in history. he's a legend either way. but still... u cant.

 

[Woodrow]

Most of you guys already said everything.....in terms of him not having a classic. Tical 2 being too long and bloated....but I'll add this.

I see Method Man as being the Rasheed Wallace of hip hop.....Rasheed Wallace had all the talent to be the best player in the league at some point but was just comfortable being a team player. Sheed was unstoppable force in the low-post, a terrific defender, and a good rebounder, could have gone down as top 5 all time if he just asserted his dominance on a regular basis.......he just didn't care to do it all the time. He just played his role and continued to be one of the most selfless stars the NBA has ever seen. I think any other talent with Method Man's skill set probably completely ditches their Wu/Redman affiliations.....and just does his own thing on his way to superstardom.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Its not always about lazy or hollywood. Y'all do realize these dudes got lives. Not only did he go through it with the IRS but Mefs wife was fighting cancer for a few years. shyt like that is guaranteed to fukk up your momentum.

As far as the music, he may not have stayed at the forefront of the mainstream but I have enjoyed everything he has put out, solos and collab's. i honestly cant say he has put out any wack shyt. so yeah if you measure the music by the enjoyment it gives you Mef is good in my books

Completely forgot about his wife's bout with cancer. Yeah that will take a toll on you not to mention he's got kids and he wants to be a part of their lives too

 

[3rdWorld]

kilt biggie on this song

Nah..he didn't.

 

[010101]

He fit the aesthetic of his era so well
That when the world moved on from the grit and grime
He didn't evolve with it......

That's pretty much the case for most mc's/rappers
It's a game for the young or those with an image and sound that remains fluid

IMO meth was ill as fukk
As a young nikka he was one of the first nikkas who's aura was influential(when you first get curious about this hip hop shyt you pretty much live off a diet of kool g rap/BDK/nas/mobb/rae&ghost/az/cormega/jiggaman
Generic real rap list)

But yeah dude also shoulda kept his foot on that acting shyt
He coulda been Americas most beloved scumbag*

Oh well I'm just a young nikka wtf do I know rii*