Is Offset Haitian? Because if not.......

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When you state Nigerian you mean Yoruba. Everybody knows that the Yoruba people were a major group of people taken to Haiti. The other major groups were the Ga, Ewe and Fon people. That was literally Dahomey, which was the epicenter of major conflict of major warfare between the Yoruba Kingdoms and the King of Dahomey.

I don't know how many Igbo were taken to Haiti, but I am pretty sure that it was no where near the number of Yoruba, Fon, Ewe and Ga people taken to Haiti. That is is literally the land of Voodoo and Haitians brought those practices with them from the old land. That brings up another point. You can tell with fairly good certainty where large groups of ancestors of Africans in the diaspora are from based upon stuff like religion and music.
Of course. No one is debating that yorobas weren't taken to haiti. What im telling you is SUBSTANTIAL NUMBERS OF IGBOS WERE taken to haiti. Before the collpase of the youroba empire, they were themselves huge slavers, and part of the reason dahomey themselves became huge slavers.

The igbo people were one of slaveries BIGGEST victims, not withstanding the MINORITY of igbo people selling other igbos.

You're well know as an anti-igbo bigot, so your refusal to accept the yoroba's major role as SLAVE TRADERS isn't surprising.

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Aro confederacy and Oyo empire were the biggest slave traders in the Nigeria area, and they were trading their own. No Hausa kingdom was a major player in the transatlantic slave trade because they don't live close to coastal areas. Most of the slaves were based locally. Hausas and Yorubas had no contact with Igbos prior to British colonization.

This is pure nonsense. What the hell are you talking about. Hausas were hell bent on dominating and attacking africans from the north to the coast. Northern groups did nothing but raid and pillage in an attempt to spread islam and thier influence. Igbos were largely unorganized and therefore fell victim to enslavement

Fulani's and Hausas are nomadic people and have roamed all of west and central africa for centuries.

You sound crazy.
 

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Thank you a man who knows something.

As another poster said most Igbos went to Brazil, Barbados and a few other island, followed by the USA

this mfer over here cappin his ass off
Igbos went all over, to those countries as well. Why the hell are you so convinced no igbos went to haiti, depsite all the evidence?

Still stuck on stupid ehh?
 

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Futhermore, igbos has a STRONG reputation of being strongly anti-slavery and were notorious for organizing mass suicides of slave ships, as well as organizing many slave rebellions all over the new world. the igbos resistance to slavery is well documented by slave traders, so much so that word was put out that igbos slaves were unwanted by slave traders and buyers because they would potentially start trouble.

Many of these igbo men were instrumental in helping jump off the Haitian revolution, like my man Henri Christophi i posted.

The Geeche and Gullah peoples of the Carolinas are also believed to be of igbo origin. Their fierce resistance to white supremacy is legendary

All you anti-igbo bigots trying to deny the association of igbo people with republic of haiti need to jump off a cliff. Read a book before you do though.

SMH
 
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i don't understand why ya'll arguing about this

Igbo ancestry is def in Haiti. but other groups like Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, etc. were more plentiful

Huge Central African component in Haiti too.

Igbo ancestry is more prominent in the English speaking countires (USA, Jamaica, Barbodos, etc.)
 

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Are you serious? Hausa and Yoruba were notorius slave traders are were responsible for a huge number of the slave trading going on in west africa.

Can't believe you people dont know this



Plus the Hausas were known slave traders for their muslim overlords. Its well known at this point.


Wow you are just making up shyt now to make the Igbo look better. Large number of Hausa and Yoruba people were taken to Brazil in the slave trade. The Yoruba people were one of the most exploited people in the slave trade, which was due to their wars against the King of Dahomey to their west and the Fulani leader Usman Dan Fodio to the North. One group of Yoruba people, the Ubini (Bini or Benin) were one of the few groups in the forest belt in Africa that did not engage in slave trading until much later in the trade. In fact the Ubini barred Europeans from their cities, because they knew what they were up to. In these modern DNA test that you see coming back to people as Nigerian the reference groups tested by researchers are heavily Yoruba. 23andme shows their 279 samples are Nigerian, Yoruba and Esan. The Esan are Yoruba.

Now Igbo people on the other hand were one of the groups that sold the most slaves and the worst part of all of it was that they only sold other Igbos. Think about that for a moment. That was a really rare thing to do, because most people sold into slavery were captured in warfare and sold as prisoners of war which meant that they were from different ethnic groups. The Igbos sold each other.

Transatlantic slave trade and Igbos - ChatAfrik
 

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Thank you a man who knows something.

As another poster said most Igbos went to Brazil, Barbados and a few other island, followed by the USA

this mfer over here cappin his ass off

It is kind of funny, because I noticed that a lot of Igbos assume that all the slaves were Igbos. The especially assume that every African American is Igbo, which is completely untrue.
 

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This is pure nonsense. What the hell are you talking about. Hausas were hell bent on dominating and attacking africans from the north to the coast. Northern groups did nothing but raid and pillage in an attempt to spread islam and thier influence. Igbos were largely unorganized and therefore fell victim to enslavement

Fulani's and Hausas are nomadic people and have roamed all of west and central africa for centuries.

You sound crazy.
I've really got a good mind to make a thread on this on nairaland, since this is the hill you wanna die on.:mjgrin:
 

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SOHHHHHHH. Offset is Haitian, huh?

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Igbos went all over, to those countries as well. Why the hell are you so convinced no igbos went to haiti, depsite all the evidence?

Still stuck on stupid ehh?
I didn’t say there was none I said they were a minority compared to the number of other Africans that were there. Big differences
 

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Aro confederacy and Oyo empire were the biggest slave traders in the Nigeria area, and they were trading their own. No Hausa kingdom was a major player in the transatlantic slave trade because they don't live close to coastal areas. Most of the slaves were based locally. Hausas and Yorubas had no contact with Igbos prior to British colonization.

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You done pissed him off now. You don't even want to let him know that the Hausa were the ones that stopped the slave trade in Igboland. In fact an Igbo PHD named Ozodi Osuji wrote about it:


"...For the purposes of Igbo land, they arranged with the Ijaw and Efik (at Bonney and Calaba respectively) to sell to them Africans.

The Ijaw and Efik first sold their people to them. Later, the Ijaw and Efik arranged with a segment of Igbos closest to them called Aro (their home is Arochukwu but they are settled all over Alaigbo...including in my very compound, indeed, some people say that yours truly is an Aro!).

The Aro arranged for Abriba, Abam, and Ohafia and Ngwa people to roam all over Alaigbo capturing slaves and matching them to Arochukwu and from there sold them to Efik people who sold them to the Portuguese at Calaba.

Some slaves were sold from Owerri (what is now called Owerri town was a slave market called owere...it has been taken, slaves have been taken).

The slaves sold at Owerri were marched to Bonny (via Igwe Ocha, now called Port Harcourt) and sold to Ijaw people, who sold them to the Portuguese.

This whole thing began around 1500 AD and lasted until 1902. In 1902 captain Frederick Lugard with Hausa solders (he called them West African Frontier Army...Lugard was part of the British Army in India and was discharged and was unemployed and roaming the streets of London looking for job and one day saw a classified AD asking for ex-soldiers to come join George Goldie's Royal Niger Company and he joined up...and the rest, as they say, is history, he worked his way to becoming the governor general of Nigeria, including arranging the amalgamation of Northern and Southern Protectorates in 1914...the British later took Nigeria away from the Royal Niger company and decided to rule it directly and appointed Lugard as their governor (Lugard also worked in East Africa and in Hong Kong; he implemented the indirect rule system in Nigeria, using Hausa Emirs to rule Hausas, Yoruba Obas to rule Yorubas, Bini Obas to rule Bini folks and since Igbos do not have kings he appointed what he called Warrant Chiefs in most Igbo towns to rule them...the warrant chiefs were as corrupt as corrupt can be).

Lugard and his Hausa soldiers in 1902 destroyed the Arochukwu Long juju (oracle) and thereafter marched throughout Igbo land stopping slave trade; they came to Owerri, my area, in 1904 and fought with my people; my great, great grandfather, Njoku led his people in their war with Lugard; he was killed...you can read about it in a book by Professor Nwankwo of Nnsuka University on how the British conquered Igbo land.

In addition to having their mercenaries capture slaves for them, Aro people stationed so-called priest/judges in most Alaigbo villages...such as my folks who are priests in Owerri area, we are supposed to have been those Aro stationed in my area. The people brought their issues to the priest/judges to settle and the persons seeking Judicial help were often marched to Arochukwu and placed into a tunnel and those who did not come out were said to have been found guilty and swallowed by the gods...they were actually captured at the other end of the tunnel and sold into slavery to Efiks who sold them to Portuguese. The Aro god business was a slave selling racket, an elaborate ruse for selling Igbo into slavery!

Lugard destroyed Arochukwu and marched all over Alaigbo, as he said in his book, The Dual Mandate in British Tropical Africa, pacifying Igbo savages of the lower Niger... ."


Transatlantic slave trade and Igbos - ChatAfrik
 
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