Is positional value cacalytics stat geeks underminin of RB impact the biggest L in years given what Henry, Saquon, Jacobs doin?

[The Villain]

Eh the Titans let Henry go try to win a ring because we weren't going to be any better than 9-8 w/ him. We suck

The real question is why didnt the Cowboys go after any of these guys

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

I don't know if its PFF or what, but all that "Success Rate", "Expected Points Added", "Actual vs. Expected Catch Rate". What the fukk is "expected".



But the context of everything in football is so much more fluid, and the sample size is so much smaller, that there is no real way to develop an average based expectation that means anything.

Nah, this isn't true for EPA. What is expected? How many points a team has typically scored in the same situation.

There's no issues with sample size.

You can look at current EPA and see it correlates well with who the top offenses are. How does it not mean anything?

NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

View EPA/play, pass vs rush success, sack rate, scramble %, and more for every NFL offense.

sumersports.com

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Hating on analytics is crazy, every NFL team..including the ones who signed Jones/Henry/Saquon employs multiple people for analytics.
Trying to frame analytics as a white person thing is even dumber.



Multiple black people on this list too.

 

[GilSho]

Hating on analytics is crazy, every NFL team..including the ones who signed Jones/Henry/Saquon employs multiple people for analytics.
Trying to frame analytics as a white person thing is even dumber.

These clowns constantly claiming only white people value analytics is some type of shyt. And self-inflicted stereotypes like that are partly why you rarely see brothers getting those OC roles.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

These clowns constantly claiming only white people value analytics is some type of shyt. And self-inflicted stereotypes like that are partly why you rarely see brothers getting those OC roles.

I was happy to scan this list and see at least a few black men and women on there.
I'd love to have one of those jobs, or see more black people in data roles.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Nah, this isn't true for EPA. What is expected? How many points a team has typically scored in the same situation.

There's no issues with sample size.

You can look at current EPA and see it correlates well with who the top offenses are. How does it not mean anything?

NFL Offensive Team Stats | SumerSports

View EPA/play, pass vs rush success, sack rate, scramble %, and more for every NFL offense.

sumersports.com

The fact that it correlates at a relative level does not mean that it has inherent value.

And it doesnt have relative value year to year.

Calling it "EPA" is a misnomer and does have a sample size problem.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

The fact that it correlates at a relative level does not mean that it has inherent value.

And it doesnt have relative value year to year.

Calling it "EPA" is a misnomer and does have a sample size problem.

You could make these same arguments against QB rating.

EPA has a significant correlation to team success and scoring. It's not an end all be all metric, but something you can consider alongside other things.

It's not a misnomer, it measures how much a play increased or decreased the team's chances of scoring points

You not liking it or finding it valuable does not mean it has no inherent value.

 

[Dorian Breh]

You could make these same arguments against QB rating.

EPA has a significant correlation to team success and scoring. It's not an end all be all metric, but something you can consider alongside other things.

It's not a misnomer, it measures how much a play increased or decreased the team's chances of scoring points

You not liking it or finding it valuable does not mean it has no inherent value.

It has relative value, but its attempt to have objective value turns it into "lying with numbers"

it does not measure how much the chances chances of scoring increased or decreased throughout a game or over a season. it does measure whether these chances changed in a way that can be compared relatively.

and yes, QB rating is also an insanely stupid stat

 

[Shadow King]

Henry had no business going back to Tennessee, he did his time and deserves to contend.

Sure you can. You just got to stop paying some positions so much.

It's weird to me that QB's make so much money WHILE being so dependent on ever other position on the field to be productive. What is a QB doing for a team with a bad line, or bad running backs, or bad receivers?

No QB is doing anything with all 3 issues. Depending on how good they are, they can with 1 or 2 of them.

 

[Guile]

No there just have been a lot of average backs. Like a Fournette (who can't even withstand the NFL beat down) is bigged up and stuff.

Honestly, it's just finding a Henry, Barkley, or JAcobs is akin to finding a legit top 10 decade long NBA player imo. shyt's hard. I'm talking about a 10 year 10000+ plus yard back. Those guys simply are too rare....and teams don't know who to scout for it most of the time so they just think it's a position you can use up.

Also, teams need to draft actual football playing Running backs. A lot RB's don't run tactically or strategically well or don't have the ability too or build there game on just running people over (Elliot) while also having to deal with the stuff every NFL player has to deal with.

 

[10bandz]

Hating on analytics is crazy, every NFL team..including the ones who signed Jones/Henry/Saquon employs multiple people for analytics.
Trying to frame analytics as a white person thing is even dumber.



Multiple black people on this list too.

These clowns constantly claiming only white people value analytics is some type of shyt. And self-inflicted stereotypes like that are partly why you rarely see brothers getting those OC roles.

I was happy to scan this list and see at least a few black men and women on there.
I'd love to have one of those jobs, or see more black people in data roles.

yall the types who would've sent Henry, Barkley and Jacobs packing

 

[10bandz]

3 RB’s went from shytty teams to playoff teams and are balling and thats a gotcha to analytics

Those teams are balling partly because they signed those RBs. Yall act like playoff teams don't regress the next season all the time.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

yall the types who would've sent Henry, Barkley and Jacobs packing

You're the type of dude to say anything. You have 0 credibility.

Here is a post from YOU saying the Titans should move on from Henry:

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/they-treating-these-running-backs-like-women-pushing-30.986740/post-49970689

You gotta deal with it they already gave Henry a big deal, he's the 3rd highest paid back. Hes also approaching 30, so you get the most out of him until his contracts done and you move on. You can't hold onto these nikkas forever

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

It has relative value, but its attempt to have objective value turns it into "lying with numbers"

This

 

[Dorian Breh]

one thing lost in these discussions is TayBum Hill making $10m a year to steal touchdowns and throw picks