Is Quantum Physics bullshat?

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There's no timing. You hit a button to run the Stern-Gerlach, and you get a spin. That spin's going to be the opposite of mine, but you don't know if you untangled them and gave me the other one, or if I untangled it and you got the other.

You can't set it up where I get a ding to know when you checked yours, cause that entails being able to observe the state while entangled, which requires choosing basis states.
 

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in the entangled experiment does the experimenter choose when to change the state of, say, "photon a", in order to demonstrate the entangled effect on photon b?

You don't get to change a state. You get a state. Once you do, we don't have entangled particles anymore.
 

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what do yall think about this.....I'm sure it's happened to yall plenty of times. it seems like it's happened to me thousands. you'll be thinking about a word....or you'll be in a conversation about to say a word.....and a movie in the background....or a song on the radio....will say the word right before you let it out...or as you think about it. and it's not even a song or a movie you've ever heard or seen so it's not some sub conscious shyt. this coincidence has happened too many times. shyt always gets me thinking. maybe I smoked too much in the past.
 

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There's no timing
ok let me try one last time
do you agree to the following experimental conditions, yes or no?

-you have photons a1, b1, a2 and b2, a1 is entangled with b1 and a2 is entangled with b2

-you ship a and planet b, both equipped with timers that denote photonic state changes and time of changes

-Ship a, carrying photon a1 and a2, has traveled 2 light years away from planet b, which has retained on its surface photon b1 and b2.

Question
Can either party control timing state changes?
can a protocol be developed establishing code to timing?
 

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There is no way to know when the other particle is unentangled. Codes based on timing will not work.
 

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You don't get to change a state. You get a state. Once you do, we don't have entangled particles anymore.

this would not change anything in my machination
read what you write here
You hit a button to run the Stern-Gerlach, and you get a spin. That spin's going to be the opposite of mine
Why do I need to use one set of SG machines?
use several in series and timing as code
 

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There is no way to know when the other particle is unentangled. Codes based on timing will not work.
I don't need to know when it is unentangled
I need to know when it is unentangled in relation to the other photons or whatever else I am using as the entangled substrate
 

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You don't get to change a state. You get a state. Once you do, we don't have entangled particles anymore.
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Space Station May Test 'Spooky' Entanglement Over Largest Distance Yet
by Clara Moskowitz | April 08, 2013 07:00pm ET
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"Spooky" quantum entanglement connects two particles so that actions performed on one reflect on the other. Now, scientists propose testing entanglement over the greatest distance yet via an experiment on the International Space Station.

Until now, entanglement has been established on relatively small scales in labs on Earth. But now physicists propose sending half of an entangled particle pair to the space station, which orbits about 250 miles (400 kilometers) above the planet.

"According to quantum physics, entanglement is independent of distance," physicist Rupert Ursin of the Austrian Academy of Sciences said in a statement. "Our proposed Bell-type experiment will show that particles are entangled, over large distances — around 500 km — for the very first time in an experiment."



Ursin and his colleagues detail the proposed experiment today (April 9) in the Institute of Physics and German Physical Society's New Journal of Physics. [Wacky Physics: The Coolest Little Particles in Nature]

Tests of quantum entanglement are called Bell tests after the late Northern Irish physicist John Bell, who proposed real-world checks of quantum theories in the 1960s. Entanglement is one of the weirdest quantum predictions, positing that entangled particles, once separated, can somehow "communicate" with each other instantly. The notion unsettled Albert Einstein so much he famously called it "spooky action at a distance."

To better understand entanglement and test its limits, the researchers suggest flying a small device called a photon detection module to the International Space Station, where it could be attached to an existing motorized Nikon 400 mm camera lens, which observes the ground from the space station's panoramic Cupola window.

Once the module is installed, the scientists would entangle a pair of light particles, called photons, on the ground. One of these would then be sent from a ground station to the device on the orbiting lab, which would measure the particle and its properties, while the other would stay on Earth. If the particles keep their entangled state, a change to one would usher in an instant change to the other. Such a long-range test would allow the physicists to probe new questions about entanglement.

"Our experiments will also enable us to test potential effects gravity may have on quantum entanglement," Ursin said.

Plus, the project should be relatively quick to perform during just a few passes of the space station over the ground lab, with each experiment lasting just 70 seconds per pass, the researchers said.

"During a few months a year, the ISS passes five to six times in a row in the correct orientation for us to do our experiments," Ursin said."We envision setting up the experiment for a whole week and therefore having more than enough links to the ISS available."

The researchers also proposed a related experiment to try sending a secret key used for quantum information encryption over the farthest distance yet via the International Space Station. Until now, quantum encryption keys have been sent over only relatively short distances on Earth. If the key can be transferred via the researchers' proposed method, it could help to enable more practical quantum encryption.

Follow Clara Moskowitz on Twitter and Google+. Follow us @livescience, Facebook & Google+. Original article on LiveScience.com.
 

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this would not change anything in my machination
read what you write here

Why do I need to use one set of SG machines?
use several in series and timing as code

There's no point in using several, after you observe it and assign basis states, it's no longer entangled.
 

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I don't need to know when it is unentangled
I need to know when it is unentangled in relation to the other photons or whatever else I am using as the entangled substrate

Yeah, you don't get to know when it's unentangled in relation to anything.
 

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Space Station May Test 'Spooky' Entanglement Over Largest Distance Yet

Yeah? Nobody's saying the state change isn't superluminal, the point I've been saying over and over again is that you can't use it to transfer information.
 

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If you think I have tried to sell you on this stuff you are mistaken
this shyt is crack, it sells itself

To be honest with you the best part of QM for me is that we don't understand it within the context of having possessed a paradigm that seems to explain all.

What I tried to do is show you the attraction. You seem to think that this is where the conversation ends, I think it's where it begins.
oh no I get what your going after and your point in general and we're on the same page. I was just curious if there was a way to give a definitive answer. I'm ok with not knowing everything, and am excited a tthe prospect of quite literally seeing how the clock was put together.
 
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oh no I get what your going after and your point in general and we're on the same page. I was just curious if there was a way to give a definitive answer. I'm ok with not knowing everything, and am excited a tthe prospect of quite literally seeing how the clock was put together.
Science only have theories.
Quantum mechanics is an amazingly successful theory that has been verified a billion times (in fact, it's being verified right now when I type on my computer) but if a new experiment of observation contradicts a prediction made by quantum mechanics then we'll need to make changes to that theory.
It happened in the past, it will happen in the future.
That's as definitive as science can get, that's empiricism for you. People mistake that for a weakness of the scientific method but they're wrong, it is in fact its greatest strength.
 

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There's no point in using several, after you observe it and assign basis states, it's no longer entangled.

Yeah, you don't get to know when it's unentangled in relation to anything.

Yeah? Nobody's saying the state change isn't superluminal, the point I've been saying over and over again is that you can't use it to transfer information.
I am telling you can and it is so conceptually rudimentary that I am not even being secretive about it
the experiment I showed you from NASA literally reproduces the experiment I proposed to you a few posts earlier
except in mine I separate 2 pairs of tangled photons and promote a timed sequenced change in the co-localized pairs and expectedly, if all current observations hold, I should get a timed sequenced change in the other co-localized pair, the difference in time of the change is the data.
easy peasy
take it easy
 
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