Is the Native American Struggle = or > than the African American Struggle?

[The Nigerian]

.. they might be the most fukked off race of people on this earth!

Actually, they're doing fine.

The most screwed races are Palestinians and Aborigines...

Black Americans aren't doing so hot but theirs is a slow, enduring plight that will end in a flash of societal irrelevancy.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Actually, they're doing fine.

The most screwed races are Palestinians and Aborigines...

Black Americans aren't doing so hot but theirs is a slow, enduring plight that will end in a flash of societal irrelevancy.

You really need to go back home and get kidnapped.

 

[The Nigerian]

You really need to go back home and get kidnapped.

A cousin of mine was recently ransomed for $60k. Not a hot look. Best believe I made the face when I got hit up for my share.

But yeah, black plight is more of an identity crisis than an existential one. Palestinians are actively being exterminated. It's pretty wild.

 

[Still Benefited]

do you know what genocide means?!





Since i was adopted, i have no idea what % i am.. Does anyone know the minimum % to be adopted by reservations in cali?? I could be 1% or 99% i have no idea

Yeah and from the way I understand it Indians dying from disease by large,and Indians dying during war and casulties of war doesn't fit the description...crack,jail,tuskegee experiment,black wallstreet are more deliberat acts by the US government that fit the bill of genocide compared to what the Indians faced...when the indians wuz dyin from disease I wanna say they wuz given shots by the govt to cure they flus and shyt...we wuz givin syphillis for minding our business

Not only that but the numbers of how many indians were actually here when the white man got here is debatable....summ say it wuz 2 million sum say 20 million....this wuz war bruh Indians wuz killin villages full of white people and women and kids just like whites wuz doin to tribes of Indians....not all Indians wuz frindly and welcoming to these cacs,sum liked to fight for the honor and just bcuz they didn't like these white people invading they space...indians wuznt punks white man had his hands full and feared them in a lot of cases,but there were friendly indians and hostile indians....more shyt got heated a lot of the white people stopped tryna differentiate....what happens during war and casulties of war are not considered a genocide...just a horrible situation where the wrong people lost... just my take

 

[The Nigerian]

Yeah and from the way I understand it Indians dying from disease by large,and Indians dying during war and casulties of war doesn't fit the description...crack,jail,tuskegee experiment,black wallstreet are more deliberat acts by the US government that fit the bill of genocide compared to what the Indians faced...when the indians wuz dyin from disease I wanna say they wuz given shots by the govt to cure they flus and shyt...we wuz givin syphillis for minding our business

Not only that but the numbers of how many indians were actually here when the white man got here is debatable....summ say it wuz 2 million sum say 20 million....this wuz war bruh Indians wuz killin villages full of white people and women and kids just like whites wuz doin to tribes of Indians....not all Indians wuz frindly and welcoming to these cacs,sum liked to fight for the honor and just bcuz they didn't like these white people invading they space...indians wuznt punks white man had his hands full and feared them in a lot of cases,but there were friendly indians and hostile indians....more shyt got heated a lot of the white people stopped tryna differentiate....what happens during war and casulties of war are not considered a genocide...just a horrible situation where the wrong people lost... just my take

Pretty much.

 

[OC's finest]

too tired lazy to read this thread, but to me the answer is pretty fukin simple.

how many native americans do ya'll even kno? any? i aint talmbout no 1/8 native american or like 1/16. a full blooded indian. there aint non left.

this was a fukin entire continent filled wid numerous indian tribes. them doods got completely anhillated. that would be the equivalent of like africa jus being completely destroyed.

native americans got fukin wiped off the map. there aint no native american struggle. them fools are dust in the wind yo. another few generations and they'll be completely gone imo. alcoholism, suicide, and interracial marriages, and tehre will be none left.

 

[Mowgli]

I WAS talking to a bunch of idiots. And I wasn't painting any picture. People assumed that I was implying that becaue they are too emotional and misinformed on the situation. My post wasn't to place the blame on anyone just giving some history that apparently most of you had no clue about.

But there is someone to blame. The white man. Why cant you see that.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

But there is someone to blame. The white man. Why cant you see that.

We all know the outcome. There is no need to point that out. The white man shytted on all of us. I refuse to come in here and try to compare who he shytted on worse.

 

[ohno]

Not only that but the numbers of how many indians were actually here when the white man got here is debatable....summ say it wuz 2 million sum say 20 million....

How are you gonna pull numbers out of your ass like that?

NOBODY says 2 million and NOBODY says 20 million. Lots of estimates have the pre-European populations at over 100 million. You need to read a book published after 2000 if you care at all about being honest and informed.


That said, I wouldn't dream of comparing these struggles -- they are two distinct histories of ongoing oppression...

 

[skeetsinternal]

black struggle is greater. The struggle is systematic and in place to always keep the foot of hatred on our necks

 

[Still Benefited]

How are you gonna pull numbers out of your ass like that?

NOBODY says 2 million and NOBODY says 20 million. Lots of estimates have the pre-European populations at over 100 million. You need to read a book published after 2000 if you care at all about being honest and informed.


That said, I wouldn't dream of comparing these struggles -- they are two distinct histories of ongoing oppression...

I'm not pullin it out my azz there is debate over the numbers go look it up and you'll see the descripancys....u really believe it wuz that many damn indians yet they got wiped out by white settlers with muskets there's only like 50 million of us here in ameica.

 

[chineebai]

I'm not pullin it out my azz there is debate over the numbers go look it up and you'll see the descripancys....u really believe it wuz that many damn indians yet they got wiped out by white settlers with muskets there's only like 50 million of us here in ameica.

most native americans died from smallpoxs, not musket.

 

[newarkhiphop]

How are you gonna pull numbers out of your ass like that?

NOBODY says 2 million and NOBODY says 20 million. Lots of estimates have the pre-European populations at over 100 million. You need to read a book published after 2000 if you care at all about being honest and informed.


That said, I wouldn't dream of comparing these struggles -- they are two distinct histories of ongoing oppression...

we speaking north of "mexico" present day U.S #s , most set the figure between 2-10 , most likely was closer to 5-9 million

 

[ohno]

I'm not pullin it out my azz there is debate over the numbers go look it up and you'll see the descripancys....u really believe it wuz that many damn indians yet they got wiped out by white settlers with muskets there's only like 50 million of us here in ameica.

I'm aware of the discrepancies and if you average all the estimations they STILL place the number at least double your highest figure. And who said anything about muskets? Disease played an enormous role of course, but you are downplaying the human factor. Decisions made by Europeans that weren't arbitrary. Why don't you go read about Pizarro?

we speaking north of "mexico" present day U.S #s , most set the figure between 2-10 , most likely was closer to 5-9 million

I'm referring to the population of Native Americans/American Indians (I'm gonna say both since some identify as the latter) living in both continents before European contact. If StillNotSoft was only referring to a portion of the population, they should clarify.

 

[Fillerguy]

Yeah and from the way I understand it Indians dying from disease by large,and Indians dying during war and casulties of war doesn't fit the description...crack,jail,tuskegee experiment,black wallstreet are more deliberat acts by the US government that fit the bill of genocide compared to what the Indians faced...when the indians wuz dyin from disease I wanna say they wuz given shots by the govt to cure they flus and shyt...we wuz givin syphillis for minding our business

Not only that but the numbers of how many indians were actually here when the white man got here is debatable....summ say it wuz 2 million sum say 20 million....this wuz war bruh Indians wuz killin villages full of white people and women and kids just like whites wuz doin to tribes of Indians....not all Indians wuz frindly and welcoming to these cacs,sum liked to fight for the honor and just bcuz they didn't like these white people invading they space...indians wuznt punks white man had his hands full and feared them in a lot of cases,but there were friendly indians and hostile indians....more shyt got heated a lot of the white people stopped tryna differentiate....what happens during war and casulties of war are not considered a genocide...just a horrible situation where the wrong people lost... just my take

jesus christ

I'm not pullin it out my azz there is debate over the numbers go look it up and you'll see the descripancys....u really believe it wuz that many damn indians yet they got wiped out by white settlers with muskets there's only like 50 million of us here in ameica.

Battle of Otumba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spain cacs had less than 1000 yet clowned a force of 30,000. This was before Europeans relied heavily on guns.

300 years later Americans would deliver ether regularly in wars like the Second Seminole War. Natives genocide is a the result of European disease, persecution, forceful assimilation, starvation, repeated wars, repeated raids, and repeated massacres targeting women and children.

In order for our struggle to classify as a genocide, said population has to at least experience a drastic drop in their membership. Our population numbers are among the most stable in America's history. Its opposition has to have displayed a explicit desire to wipe out said population. If Whites wanted to kill Blacks off, they would've gave us the Native American treatment. You dumbasses are confusing oppression with genocide. Holocaust = genocide. Turkish Armenians= genocide. Stalin's "Famine" in the Ukraine= genocide.
Crackheads, 10 year bids for drug charges and getting Blacks ppl to trick other Black ppl into participating in experiment = genocide.