Is there any logic to the one drop rule at all?

[Vandelay]

The concept of race isn't stupid. Its when you start putting mixed people into one box and one box only, that's when it gets stupid.

Gotta disagree...theres more differences within the races than amongst...its subjective to a large extent and the indicators are borderline arbitrary. Yeah once you mature, you can point out the sublties but its only after years of conditioning. Its loosely based on genetic origination and facial features, to which point all races share all features at some point.

Its stupid when you break the shyt down, but i embrace it because what else do we got.

 

[Auger]

Technically bi-racial are neither one nor the other, in a few decades they'll become a bigger group that will have their own identity that isn't exclusive to any one ethnicity.

 

[LebronsHairline]

Actually that's what white people want, mixed people to be proud of black ancestry and just that.

Nothing is wrong with being proud to black, but if you are bi or multi-racial you should be proud of your other ancestry as well

Biologically speaking that's what you are, mixed raced.

The one drop rule makes no fukking sense

This, i've always claimed both

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

Technically bi-racial are neither one nor the other, in a few decades they'll become a bigger group that will have their own identity that isn't exclusive to any one ethnicity.

Exactly and who's going to end up being marginalized the most by this?

 

[Auger]

Exactly and who's going to end up being marginalized the most by this?

not sure who, because either group that makes up a biracial child will lose out.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

not sure who, because either group makes up a biracial child will lose out.

Nah breh. White people define themselves as having white parents.

Asians as well.

Hispanics go more by nationality because they are a heavily mixed race people and it depends on the country.

Black people are the only ones that define Black + whatever = black.

it's gotten to the point where you don't even need black people to make black people. No excellence is being lost by Obama being identified as "black" for white people, but you better believe excellence is lost if Obama stated he was "biracial" and were adamant about it.

 

[Auger]

Are you say most advancements by blacks were actually made by bi-racial people who identified as black? WHAT??!

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

Are you say most advancements by blacks were actually made by bi-racial people who identified as black? WHAT??!

unfortunately

In this picture with Lyndon B. Johnson is the 1st black cabinet member

1st black state attorney general

There are many more. Like I said the effects it has on males is different than women. Look at all the prominent "black" Democratic leaders of late.

Corey Booker, Adrian Fenty, Duval Patrick.

E.B. Reuter wrote about this in "Mulatto in the United States" and "The Superiority of the Mulatto"

In 1917, 11 of the 12 doctorates of philosophy awarded to blacks were in fact "biracial".. On one hand we recognized white privilege but we tense up and vehemently deny biracial privileges especially as it pertains to them identifying as black.

 

[its_normal]

We don't have it England so I was quite surprised with it when I come across it on the internet, over here most mixed race people identify exactly as that - mixed race. That's what white people call them, thats what black people call them well no black people have all sorts of names for them but that's another story. There are some mixed race people who identify as black (can be any kind of mix with some black) and some that identify as white (usually 1/4 black or less) but these types are definitely the minority.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

We don't have it England so I was quite surprised with it when I come across it on the internet, over here most mixed race people identify exactly as that - mixed race. That's what white people call them, thats what black people call them well no black people have all sorts of names for them but that's another story. There are some mixed race people who identify as black (can be any kind of mix with some black) and some that identify as white (usually 1/4 black or less) but these types are definitely the minority.

yup. Only place on earth that still practices this. We already have an unspoken caste system because of it. That's why I never try to shame Dominicans, Puerto Ricans etc as black because most of them aren't. Most of them are a mixture of races. That's what's implied when they state they are their nationality.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

actually, the mulatto elite is not a result of the one blood rule. it's the result of a divide and conquer technique of the colonialists in line with the op's thinking of mixed people being their own race. they would create a caste system and tell mulattos that, albeit still being inferior to white people, at least they were better than fully blacks. The Racial Caste System in Colonial Spanish Mexico | Pathways to Freedom in the Americas
that's why you have a mulatto elite in a lot of latin american countries. it's also why many latins are still obsessed with marrying up (as in some one lighter than themselves) "good hair" and denying their african heritage.
in the us, where they had the one blood rule, there is no such thing as a mulatto elite. you have black people and white people and that's about it.

That's what has happened already whether we acknowledge it or not.

 

[karim]

unfortunately

In this picture with Lyndon B. Johnson is the 1st black cabinet member

1st black state attorney general

There are many more. Like I said the effects it has on males is different than women. Look at all the prominent "black" Democratic leaders of late.

Corey Booker, Adrian Fenty, Duval Patrick.

E.B. Reuter wrote about this in "Mulatto in the United States" and "The Superiority of the Mulatto"

In 1917, 11 of the 12 doctorates of philosophy awarded to blacks were in fact "biracial".. On one hand we recognized white privilege but we tense up and vehemently deny biracial privileges especially as it pertains to them identifying as black.

no one denies it. but biracial privilege doesn't change the fact that blacks and biracials are discriminated. so from a minority point of view it makes no sense to separate those two groups. what do you gain by pointing a finger at biracials, telling them that they don't belong to your group? the result will be what happened in haiti, you will have whites sitting on top and mulattos and blacks fighting amongst themselves, instead of fighting those who set up the whole system. if biracials identify as blacks while at the same time being better accepted by white people and thus gaining entrance to the establishment, they will still care about black issues. if they identify as their own group, they will only care about their own interests.

that is exactly why the spaniards invented the caste system. they realized that there were much more people of color in the colonies than white people. so in order to prevent those they opressed from revolting against them, they divided them into 16 groups. all of a sudden, each group tried to defend their privileges against those beneath them, and nobody was bothered about the spanish.

 

[GreatestLaker]

no one denies it. but biracial privilege doesn't change the fact that blacks and biracials are discriminated. so from a minority point of view it makes no sense to separate those two groups. what do you gain by pointing a finger at biracials, telling them that they don't belong to your group? the result will be what happened in haiti, you will have whites sitting on top and mulattos and blacks fighting amongst themselves, instead of fighting those who set up the whole system. if biracials identify as blacks while at the same time being better accepted by white people and thus gaining entrance to the establishment, they will still care about black issues. if they identify as their own group, they will only care about their own interests.

that is exactly why the spaniards invented the caste system. they realized that there were much more people of color in the colonies than white people. so in order to prevent those they opressed from revolting against them, they divided them into 16 groups. all of a sudden, each group tried to defend their privileges against those beneath them, and nobody was bothered about the spanish.

So why doesn't this problem exist in the UK today? You brought up Haiti, but that was during the slavery days. A lot of things have changed since then.

 

[karim]

what problem?

and what has changed in haiti?