Is this why black films today have no identity?

ThrobbingHood

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I was watching this video on why most movies today suck:



And I came across this comment thread:

I'm a Black guy. I have enjoyed Black cinema my entire life. There was no shortage of Black films, music, sports, TV shows etc. Our representation in the 70s,80s, 90s, 00s was always huge. But to my surprise, in the last part of the 2010s I have tons of companies acting as if none of this exists. As if they are the saviors of Black entertainment. I have 20 somethings telling me I don't know my own history. I have people saying "Finally, we have a Black superhero" Forgetting about Spawn, Blade, Steel, Meteor Man, etc. Just make good movies, I don't need multi-millionaires preaching to me about anything.

to which this YouTuber responded:

You are missing the point. This is the problem with people who make your argument. No one said there was a shortage of Black films. There's that Mandela Effect. People said there is a shortage of black directors in the Criterion Collection; there's a shortage of black films recognized at the Oscars, and that black faces are scarce in Hollywood blockbusters and/or represented poorly in white movies, which are stone-cold facts. People keep bringing up Blade, but Blade became progressively white as it went along. A black superhero who needs a white man to tell him what to do. Blade II: suddenly, all the black costars are nowhere to be found. Blade III? Don't make me laugh. The two new white characters took over the film

What black film in the 70s is something to be proud of? Blacula? Foxy Brown? Dolemite? All stereotypical garbage. Robert Townshend made a film specifically criticizing Hollywood for their shenanigans and countless stars have told their stories about how blacks are treated in Hollywood, but here you are pretending it's not an issue. Why, because you enjoyed those movies? So what? A lot of black people in post-Jim Crow America enjoyed eating at racist white restaurants, but that doesn't change the fact that the restaurants were a problem.

The 80's? Now it's true that there were plenty of films in the 80's, 90s, 00s with black people in them, but that was because of us. Where are the black people in white movies who weren't dead the first chance the director got to kill them? Out of a list of 50 of the highest-grossing films of the 80s, 3... THREE, of them featured black people (excluding Star Trek, which is an outlier). Out of those three, only 2 black people were even in the movie (Beverly Hills Cop). The other movies were Harlem Nights and Lethal Weapon, but really, in the case of Lethal Weapon, it's only 1 main black character.

To which the original comment responded:
I'm missing the point? Ok. I love responses like yours. It seems you have a very narrow view of Black cinema throughout the decades. You named Blaxploitation films as though those were the only Black films of that time. Was Lady Sings the Blues Blaxploitation? How about the works of Gordon Parks? What about Waatstax? And other beautiful documentaries about Black in the 70s and many more. Television in The 70s. Some of the biggest shows were Sanford and Son, Good Times, and the Jeffersons. Who was the biggest comedian of the 70s? Richard Pryor. Was he White?

Who was the biggest comedian in the 80s? Eddie Murphy. Is he White? He was one of the top box office earners of that decade. The ENTIRE decade. How about the 90s box office? Will Smith. Is he White? At a certain point Will had a years long streak of Fourth of July box office sales so big he was dubbed "Mr. 4th of July" the 2000s? Vin Diesel. Late 2000s and 2010s Who was the biggest non Marvel Box office star? The Rock. Is he White?

Should I talk about music? Rock music was dethroned by Hip-hop starting in the 90s. By the 2000s Hip Hop is undisputed in cultural reach. Here we are in the 2020s, and rock is damn near non existent. Tik Tok culture, meme culture is dominated by Black slang, and culture. Should I move on to sports? Nah. You don't want to talk about representation there with all of those Black multi-millionaires.

You just kinda played Blade off as if it were insignificant. That movie, and Spawn before it basically kicked off the modern superhero genre. X-Men, who was the biggest movie star that got butts in seats for that film? Halle Berry. No one knew High Jackman back then, and Patrick Stewart was only known for one show. Halle was the top earner of that film. She was the biggest name. So that's 3 superhero films not even counting Steel, Meteor Man, or Blankman that starring Blacks. We have this revisionist history when it comes to Black cinema. I didn't even touch on Black films and TV shows of the 90s.

So where does the truth lie? Somewhere in the middle?:patrice::jbhmm:
 

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A white trans woman was the showrunner for a show about black students navigating college (Dear White People). I think that's symptomatic of the problem. At the same time this topic is subjective. I'm yet to watch Black Panther, and probably will never get around to it. I don't watch comic book films. The whole genre is silly to me. Meanwhile a whole lot of black folks were inspired by it. I can't knock that.
 

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At the same time this topic is subjective. I'm yet to watch Black Panther, and probably will never get around to it. I don't watch comic book films. The whole genre is silly to me. Meanwhile a whole lot of black folks were inspired by it. I can't knock that.
This is me verbatim. Other than the Batman trilogy, I can’t stand comic book movies and I haven’t watched Black Panther either.

I’m confused because black movies had their distinct identity in the 70s till the mid 2000s… and then suddenly they just became generic. And yet, we had (apparently) less black people behind the camera then compared to now.

So which is it?
 

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Because they be making black movies for white eyes. The old “what if white people are looking” .
“White gaze”.
White gaze - Wikipedia

But aren’t things meant to be better now then back then? Blacks films used to be unapologetically black. It has become so watered down now.
 

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I ain’t read all that

but if you’re interested in black films check out this website, 100% free, they used to have way more films but I guess copyright

blackfilmarchive.com
Spoken like a true coli breh :snoop:. Both have a point I agree moreso with the first guy comments. I never cared about us being represented at the oscars and all that other bullshyt. Thats seeking white validation. Who are they for us to appeal to them. Its amazing that we made so many classic shows and movies in the past with the limitations we faced. In today's time with so much more technology, media platforms, social media, etc its no excuse for us to have so many generic shows and movies. These black directors and talents are simply looking for white people stamp of approval.
 

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Black shows are corny these days.
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Its amazing that we made so many classic shows and movies in the past with the limitations we faced. In today's time with so much more technology, media platforms, social media, etc its no excuse for us to have so many generic shows and movies. These black directors and talents are simply looking for white people stamp of approval.
Breh, you hit the nail on the head. How did we have so much black excellence in the 90s, with all the barriers we had back then, compared now where the barrier to entry has been alleviated, and yet we’ve somehow gone backwards?:why:
 

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Lmao aba and preach spoke about this type of shyt today


Crazy they just uploaded this. Echoing the same sentiments I have. We don’t need The Little Mermaid to be rebooted with a black lead. Just create something new. All this rehashing just to put black characters in is insulting, when there are so many fresh original concepts out there.
 
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