Is Tim Duncan the greatest winner of this generation?

[Kill Dat Noize]

We been through this Kobe and Shaq weren't healthy and neither were the other guys after coming off 3 straight finals.

Refresh my memory. What was the issue wit Kobe & Shaq.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Nah, you grasping for straws.

99', everyone had the same amount of games. If the Lakers win, you don't even bring up this point and you know it.

Joe Johnson? Really?

Amare has and always will be Duncan's hoe. He wasn't gonna be the one to put them over us. Diaw. Lol.

Look, you can't go wrong with either Timmy or Kobe. But you said you surround Duncan with a bum ass team and he dosn't win. That's not true. That's the point I'm trying to make. Getting me all sidetracked & shyt...

Amare averaged damn near 40 points on Duncan in 05 and averaged 26.4/10.6 vs Duncan in 07. Stop it...

Joe Johnson was an all-star caliber player in 05.

 

[Regular_P]

you gotta give a ton of credit to the whole spurs organization too. timmay's teammates, pop, the gm, scouts, ownership...they've been amazing. top-to-bottom, it seems everyone in that franchise has been on the exact same page for the past like 15 years. the spurs are a well-oiled machine, on and off the court.

Same coach his entire career and the most stable organization in the NBA. Consistent roster and great drafting.

Kobe has had nine different coaches in his career and a lot of roster turmoil since '04.

Their environments haven't even been close to similar. Imagine Duncan playing for guys like Del Harris, Frank Hamblen and Mike D'Antoni.

So y'all really give regular season winning percentage precedent over championships (you know...ACTUALLY winning) and finals appearances (winning your conference) in "being a winner"? Duncan get's judged in this weird overly reverential way that his peers and other greats don't...any year other greats have great regular seasons but fail to reach the finals and it gets treated as some major failure that counts against their legacy or some sh!t...all the years the the Spurs were top seeds that went nowhere in the playoffs is just a testament to Timmy's greatness as a "winner"

Double standards are the norm on here. The Lakers are 4-2 against the Spurs in the playoffs in the Kobe/Duncan era (last year does not count ) and Kobe has one more championship, plus two more Finals appearances, but that doesn't matter to these stans.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Refresh my memory. What was the issue wit Kobe & Shaq.

They were both injured. Remember why Kobe went to Colorado in the first place? He was playing on a knee that needed surgery and it affected his play. He was nowhere as good as he was in the regular season before he injured it. Even with all of that we were a Robert Horry 3 point shot away from a game 7.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

They were both injured. Remember why Kobe went to Colorado in the first place? He was playing on a knee that needed surgery and it affected his play. He was nowhere as good as he was in the regular season before he injured it. Even with all of that we were a Robert Horry 3 point shot away from a game 7.

Eh, even still. The Lakers were a great team. Kobe still played. And was there anything wrong with Shaq?

I don't wanna say injuries mean NOTHING but beating that team without another all-star at your side is impressive any way you slice it. Duncan was the best player in that series that year.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Eh, even still. The Lakers were a great team. Kobe still played. And was there anything wrong with Shaq?

I don't wanna say injuries mean NOTHING but beating that team without another all-star at your side is impressive any way you slice it. Duncan was the best player in that series that year.

Lakers weren't a great team in 2003. They were the fukking 5th seed.

They were below .500 for most of the season and it took Kobe scoring 9 consecutive 40 point games to even get them in the playoff picture.

 

[Regular_P]

Lakers weren't a great team in 2003. They were the fukking 5th seed.

They were below .500 for most of the season and it took Kobe scoring 9 consecutive 40 point games to even get them in the playoff picture.

It's crazy how little talent was on the '01-02 & '02-03 teams after Kobe and Shaq. It was worst in the league bad.

 

[GreatestLaker]

It's crazy how little talent was on the '01-02 & '02-03 teams after Kobe and Shaq. It was worst in the league bad.

Mitch did a horrible, horrible job surrounding Kobe and Shaq with talent.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Lakers weren't a great team in 2003. They were the fukking 5th seed.

They were below .500 for most of the season and it took Kobe scoring 9 consecutive 40 point games to even get them to 500.

Wasn't Shaq out for an extended period of time that season, resulting them in getting a lower seed in the playoffs?

Why are you basing how good they were on their regular season record? They got to the WCF didn't they? Obviously they were better than their record indicated.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Wasn't Shaq out for an extended period of time that season, resulting them in getting a lower seed in the playoffs?

Why are you basing how good they were on their regular season record? They got to the WCF didn't they? Obviously they were better than their record indicated.

Uh no they didn't.

 

[KEEPITTRILLA]

by golly, lakers fans sure are flaming fakkits

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Uh no they didn't.

You keep tossin around the Cosby like what I'm sayin is so outlandish yet deep down you know you're tryna spread falsehoods to better suit your argument. If you wanna argue that Duncan led the Spurs past a Lakers team that wasn't 100% than fine but don't pretend they were some scrub team who squeezed in as a low seed and weren't fit to compete with San Antonio. Fact is they were still the defending champs and by the time the playoffs rolled around they were one of the best squads in the league. Beating them in a 7 game series was no easy task. If the Spurs don't get it done the Lakers probably 4-peat.

edit: And my bad I thought they got to the WCF that year. If they didn't, then my bad.

 

[Da Jungles]

Dude won two of his titles with Rasho Nesterovic and Francisco Elson as his starting centers. Won a title in 1999 with Avery Johnson and Jaren Jackson/Mario Elie as his starting backcourt. Let that sink in for a second

Timmy would legit probably have 7 chips if not for terrible luck (Ray Allen's 3, Derek Fisher 0.4 shot, and Manu's foul on Dirk on 2006)

Goes both ways tho.

He probably has 3 rings if Horry makes that game 5 shot in 2003.

 

[GreatestLaker]

You keep tossin around the Cosby like what I'm sayin is so outlandish yet deep down you know you're tryna spread falsehoods to better suit your argument. If you wanna argue that Duncan led the Spurs past a Lakers team that wasn't 100% than fine but don't pretend they were some scrub team who squeezed in as a low seed and weren't fit to compete with San Antonio. Fact is they were still the defending champs and by the time the playoffs rolled around they were one of the best squads in the league. Beating them in a 7 game series was no easy task. If the Spurs don't get it done the Lakers probably 4-peat.

edit: And my bad I thought they got to the WCF that year. If they didn't, then my bad.

You have no idea what the fukk you're talking about. The Lakers barely made it out of the FIRST ROUND in 2003. They were like the 8th or 9th seed in March.

Remember what happened to the Lakers last year? They were trash for most of the year and made a run to the playoffs towards the end of the year and got swept in the first round? it was basically the same shyt that happened in 03. Kobe carried them to the playoffs and then he injured his knee. Even if Kobe was healthy they weren't going to win shyt, because of how bad the supporting cast was.

LOL @ the 2003 Lakers being one of the best teams in 03. Man shut the fukk up.

 

[IGSaint12]

Out of the old school greats...Only Timmy is left on the mountaintop...

Garnett...beyond washed...might make the 7 or 8 seed in the east due to virtually every team trying to tank...non factor in the league and playoffs...
Kobe...broken down, ego to big for reality to set in...has reached the point where his teams win more games when he doesn't play than when he does...

Dirk...just a giant spot up shooter now...doesn't rebound...never played defense...just happy to have a team get the 7th or 8th seed...

Dungawd...still competing for titles...came as close as you could come to winning one without winning one next year...

Spurs will compete for a title this year...and next year if Timmy comes back...

Lakers are just an NBA slide show getting styled on by the likes of Evan Turner and Nate Robinson...only reason to watch this team is to see the next injury kobe is going to make 48mil to have...

Nets...lawd jesus...one of the worst teams in the league...

Viva...La...Dungawd...

Why are you making up shyt? Kobe's team right now is rivaling the worst team in the league. They have the potential to get the number 1 pick even without him playing. Jesus christ the hate some of you have is not anywhere close to reality.

Or you take pride in being a dumbass devoid of any facts.