Is worldwide veganism even possible?

[Easy-E]

Mind you, I'm not one of these people that believes a person, at an individual level, can't live without meat ().

But, understand the foul stuff don't to our food supply really just comes from the challenges with transporting and storing food for a population of over 300 million people every day, every year. Not to mention the billions worldwide.

Do people even understand how food works?

There isn't a way to naturally grow food and feed billions of people, regularly, across the whole world.

Yes, there is a lot of industrial bullshyt that's destroyed the environment, but, even that's done to serve a growing population.

The last 100 years has seen the population grow like 3 billion.



I'm just asking about the logistics

 

[Doobie Doo]

There isn't a way to naturally grow food and feed billions of people, regularly, across the whole world.

Yes, there is a lot of industrial bullshyt that's destroyed the environment, but, even that's done to serve a growing population.

All bullshyt. There is enough land and food to accommodate all human life. Any place in this world where people are starving is due to the decisions their government makes. Nobody on this planet is starving because the world couldn't produce enough food to feed them.

I promise the food ppl in America throw out from Christmas this week is enough to feed the hungry at least 1 day

 

[Easy-E]

All bullshyt. There is enough land and food to accommodate all human life. Any place in this world where people are starving is due to the decisions their government makes. Nobody on this planet is starving because the world couldn't produce enough food to feed them.

I promise the food ppl in America throw out from Christmas this week is enough to feed the hungry at least 1 day

I expect response like this; okay, here's where I ask you actually break that down.

Like, how much vegetables would you need to grow to feed billions of people? How would you get them to them fast enough to where they wouldn't need to be artifically keep fresh?

Do you even know how to grow food in your backyard?

In theory and broad strokes, these are easy answers, but, actually doing it is another thing.

Again, I speaking generally about "healthy" food with no preservatives and more specifically all 7 billion of humans being vegan.

 

[Koichos]

The animals that live in captivity for human consumption would go extinct if everybody went vegan.

Do you think they would rather suffer, or cease to exist?

 

[Easy-E]

The animals that live in captivity for human consumption would go extinct if everybody went vegan.

Do you think they would rather suffer, or cease to exist?

@Doobie Doo brought the political response

You brought the moral

Again, on a realistic level, how would we go about making the diets of over 7 billion people 100% plant based without

I'm really just asking and people are triggering their defenses like I made this thread to shyt on veganism

"How?" is the point of the thread

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I expect response like this; okay, here's where I ask you actually break that down.

Like, how much vegetables would you need to grow to feed billions of people? How would you get them to them fast enough to where they wouldn't need to be artifically keep fresh?

Do you even know how to grow food in your backyard?

In theory and broad strokes, these are easy answers, but, actually doing it is another thing.

Again, I speaking generally about "healthy" food with no preservatives and more specifically all 7 billion of humans being vegan.

Duke. You're tryna use your imagination to figure out how this works. Semi noble.

Fact is. The food we feed the animals could feed ALL humans a couple times over.

So yes. Easily. If a human can live .. better .. as a vegan and it's less destructive and brutal: why couldn't we?

People like eating meat. That's why. No matter how costly it is we crave the blood of innocent creatures.

 

[AlainLocke]

Mind you, I'm not one of these people that believes a person, at an individual level, can't live without meat ().

But, understand the foul stuff don't to our food supply really just comes from the challenges with transporting and storing food for a population of over 300 million people every day, every year. Not to mention the billions worldwide.

Do people even understand how food works?

There isn't a way to naturally grow food and feed billions of people, regularly, across the whole world.

Yes, there is a lot of industrial bullshyt that's destroyed the environment, but, even that's done to serve a growing population.

The last 100 years has seen the population grow like 3 billion.

Why Americans Lead the World in Food Waste
Americans waste an unfathomable amount of food. In fact, according to a Guardian report released this week, roughly 50 percent of all produce in the United States is thrown away—some 60 million tons (or $160 billion) worth of produce annually, an amount constituting “one third of all foodstuffs.” Wasted food is also the single biggest occupant in American landfills, the Environmental Protection Agency has found.

Key facts on food loss and waste you should know!
Every year, consumers in rich countries waste almost as much food (222 million tonnes) as the entire net food production of sub-Saharan Africa (230 million tonnes).


The problem with our food supply is due to capitalism...

Take a company like Monsanto...

Monsanto actually patents seeds by fukking genetically engineering some bullshyt

It takes their seeds to their farmers that got and says....

"Use our seeds and only our seeds..."

Farmers grow crops...

Naturally...a farmer would just use the fukking seeds that crops provide...but that's stealing from Monsanto...

So then farmers go and buy more Monsanto bullshyt...

Another example...

Farms are government subsidized...

Which would be a good idea...but no...it's a stupid idea under a capitalistic system because farmers naturally would artificially reduced crops for sale meanwhile growing the maximum amount of crops in order to take advantage of the subsidy...

So...your food is being thrown away before you even buy the shyt...

Another example....

Food is made to look appealing...not for nutritional value...no just so you can look at it and wanna buy it...

Farmers throw away perfectly good food...just because it doesn't look like you think it should look like...

The problem with things like healthcare in the USA or food...is the profit motive...

Healthcare industry and the agricultural industry is not trying to save lives or feed people it is trying to make money...

You can easily predict how much calories and food people need and then just grow enough food and feed the people...

It's not that hard...we know how much food people eat...we got population data, we got the data on how many calories food provide...

You also could predict how many people need houses and build houses and zone neighborhoods before are even born, which would then have you avoid housing bubbles...

But when necessary things that people need to live has a profit motive...you get people making excuses for the stupidity and inefficiencies...

The food industry is wasteful...

The healthcare industry is wasteful

The housing industry is wasteful...

And it is wasteful by design because without the waste, corporations and business people wouldn't make any money...

And what is more important...businesspeople making money or people having food, healthcare and homes...

 

[Koichos]

@Doobie Doo brought the political response

You brought the moral

Again, on a realistic level, how would we go about making the diets of over 7 billion people 100% plant based without

I'm really just asking and people are triggering their defenses like I made this thread to shyt on veganism

"How?" is the point of the thread

Hominins have been consuming meat for millions of years.

It isn't practical to think man could ever go vegan.

 

[Easy-E]

@CharlieManson This thread isn't about food waste or world hunger, it's about eliminating meat from our diets

Problem with all natural, all fruit and veggie (not to forget the grains) we'd still deal with food waste when you have to throw away the stuff we can't get from the farms to stores to people's homes in time

Duke. You're tryna use your imagination to figure out how this works. Semi noble.

Fact is. The food we feed the animals could feed ALL humans a couple times over.

So yes. Easily. If a human can live .. better .. as a vegan and it's less destructive and brutal: why couldn't we?

People like eating meat. That's why. No matter how costly it is we crave the blood of innocent creatures.

I know it's hard to believe, but, I'm trying to figure it out, not agrue against veganism

My theory is that it's not possible at a wide level and I'm challenging myself to change that theory

 

[ORDER_66]

If someone can create a food that actually tastes like beef, chicken, fish, etc and cooks like real food and is healthier than others... then Maybe things will change but until then???

 

[Easy-E]

This podcast (90 mins) details atleast some of what makes food production so difficult.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@CharlieManson This thread isn't about food waste or world hunger, it's about eliminating meat from our diets

Problem with all natural, all fruit and veggie (not to forget the grains) we'd still deal with food waste when you have to throw away the stuff we can't get from the farms to stores to people's homes in time

I know it's hard to believe, but, I'm trying to figure it out, not agrue against veganism

My theory is that it's not possible at a wide level and I'm challenging myself to change that theory

Not possible why?

You think it's more efficient to eat a cow. Like the cow feeds more people than the grain, right?

I don't know exactly how many years it takes to create a cow but the grain is ready to eat every year.

You feed the cow 5 years worth of grain before you can eat it.

It's actually less efficient to put the food into the cow first, grow the cow, then eat the cow.

And there is no issue with all these veggies going to waste. There's not going to be a doubling of the amount of crops. We already grow enough NOW to do this.

Again, we feed it to chickens first these days. We could just simply feed it to the people.

The avacado has only a few days before it's too ripe. They get me them shyts in time tho. I can buy one anytime of year it seems. Not just ones that are almost ready to eat either. Looks like there are ones they just picked yesterday in the pile too.

We can easily do it mechanically. We have every single thing we need already. Now.

 

[Doobie Doo]

If someone can create a food that actually tastes like beef, chicken, fish, etc and cooks like real food and is healthier than others... then Maybe things will change but until then???

Beyond Burgers

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

If people grew their own food in addition to the systems we already have...

The biggest issue is transportation of resources before they go “bad”, not the presence or ability to produce that much food. And, with that, money for providing, trading food for what goods?

 

[Easy-E]

Not possible why?

You think it's more efficient to eat a cow. Like the cow feeds more people than the grain, right?

I don't know exactly how many years it takes to create a cow but the grain is ready to eat every year.

You feed the cow 5 years worth of grain before you can eat it.

It's actually less efficient to put the food into the cow first, grow the cow, then eat the cow.

And there is no issue with all these veggies going to waste. There's not going to be a doubling of the amount of crops. We already grow enough NOW to do this.

Again, we feed it to chickens first these days. We could just simply feed it to the people.

The avacado has only a few days before it's too ripe. They get me them shyts in time tho. I can buy one anytime of year it seems. Not just ones that are almost ready to eat either. Looks like there are ones they just picked yesterday in the pile too.

We can easily do it mechanically. We have every single thing we need already. Now.

You thinking at a individually level, I'm talking about worldwide.

Grains shouldn't be a big deal, based on my level of knowledge, but, growing crops naturally at that level will be impossible.

Not to mention the very real climate issues.