Isaiah Thomas dominated Kyrie Irving today

[Da King]

I want this little Kings love fest to continue after this 7 game road trip they have coming up.

Salty fakkit


Dude gets his numbers but doesn't help the cavs at all, last year when he was hurt they were still losing games at th same rate


Fall back on this basketball talk cac

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

Salty fakkit


Dude gets his numbers but doesn't help the cavs at all, last year when he was hurt they were still losing games at th same rate


Fall back on this basketball talk cac

Exactly man Kyrie is just out there having fun. In there last ten games they only beat the Jazz, 76ers and Magic thats fuking terrible.You would think that a supposed star like Kyrie would have some affect on his team but he doesn't. He cant even lead his team to the offs in one of the worst years in the Leastern conference but I'm sure it's not Kyrie's fault as @GIL Scott Heron would say.

 

[Malta]

Exactly man Kyrie is just out there having fun. In there last ten games they only beat the Jazz, 76ers and Magic thats fuking terrible.You would think that a supposed star like Kyrie would have some affect on his team but he doesn't. He cant even lead his team to the offs in one of the worst years in the Leastern conference but I'm sure it's not Kyrie's fault as @GIL Scott Heron would say.

That's really the GM's fault, his drafting has been awful and none of the players fit together, they got an undersized "defensive" PF that can't block shots and routinely gets bodied in man to man situations. A somewhat talented SG that can't play in the starting 5 with their PG because their games clash, and of course Anthony Bennett who now can't even get off the bench and rightfully so.

They need to consolidate that mediocre talent and try to trade for a quality player, the team they could have had around Kyrie would be damn good, but their GM sucks.

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

That's really the GM's fault, his drafting has been awful and none of the players fit together, they got an undersized "defensive" PF that can't block shots and routinely gets bodied in man to man situations. A somewhat talented SG that can't play in the starting 5 with their PG because their games clash, and of course Anthony Bennett who now can't even get off the bench and rightfully so.

They need to consolidate that mediocre talent and try to trade for a quality player, the team they could have had around Kyrie would be damn good, but their GM sucks.

Lets put the Kyrie's teammates are holding him back theory to rest. It's a fact that the Cavs play better when Dion Waiters is on the court and Kyrie is on the bench. Out of 437 players in the NBA guess where Kyrie's Individual +/- stats rank.........he's number 412 and Waiters is 273 out of 437 players. Can you explain to me how a supposed star PG who's supposed to run his team is nearly dead last in +/- ratings.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2013/

Cavs +- ratings out of 437 NBA players in the league



CJ Miles 122
Mathew Dellavedova 249
Dion Waiters 273
Anderson Varejao 282
Serge Karasev 314
Tyler Zeller 358
Anthony Bennet 368
Earl Clark 389
Tristan Thompson 398
Alonzo Gee 409
Kyrie Irving 412
Jarret Jack 425

 

[Malta]

Lets put the Kyrie's teammates are holding him back theory to rest. It's a fact that the Cavs play better when Dion Waiters is on the court and Kyrie is on the bench. Out of 437 players in the NBA guess where Kyrie's Individual +/- stats rank.........he's number 412 and Waiters is 273 out of 437 players. Can you explain to me how a supposed star PG who's supposed to run his team is nearly dead last in +/- ratings.

Tristan Thompson - 398
Earl Clark - 389
Anderson Varejao - 282
Dellavedova - 249

Those are the +/- rankings of the people Kyrie shared starting time with.

I don't put much stock in +/- at all, especially with bad teams since they are often down and the best player is usually left out there the longest to try and get them back in it. A few years ago Steph Curry was 396th in the league for +/- it's a very flawed stat when you use it with bad teams


A competent GM can build around Kyrie, he's too much like Curry for it not to work.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Lets put the Kyrie's teammates are holding him back theory to rest. It's a fact that the Cavs play better when Dion Waiters is on the court and Kyrie is on the bench. Out of 437 players in the NBA guess where Kyrie's Individual +/- stats rank.........he's number 412 and Waiters is 273 out of 437 players. Can you explain to me how a supposed star PG who's supposed to run his team is nearly dead last in +/- ratings.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2013/

Cavs +- ratings out of 437 NBA players in the league



CJ Miles 122
Mathew Dellavedova 249
Dion Waiters 273
Anderson Varejao 282
Serge Karasev 314
Tyler Zeller 358
Anthony Bennet 368
Earl Clark 389
Tristan Thompson 398
Alonzo Gee 409
Kyrie Irving 412
Jarret Jack 425

at this bullshyt.

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

Tristan Thompson - 398
Earl Clark - 389
Anderson Varejao - 282
Dellavedova - 249

Those are the +/- rankings of the people Kyrie shared starting time with.

I don't put much stock in +/- at all, especially with bad teams since they are often down and the best player is usually left out there the longest to try and get them back in it. A few years ago Steph Curry was 396th in the league for +/-, it's a very flawed stat when you use it with bad teams


A competent GM can build around Kyrie, he's too much like Curry for it not to work.

Curry played in the West Conference where below average to bad teams get destroyed by the powerhouses and he wasn't the best player on the team. He played with a guy (Monta) who liked to chuck up shots. Kyrie's situation is totally different he has the ball in his hands most of the time and he plays in a conference full of other dead beat teams. And plus Curry was never mentioned as an elite PG back in those days. Kyrie on the other hand is getting his balls waxed by stans when his team is getting waxed by 44 pts by the Kings. Kyrie's game and Curry's game are totally different, Curry excels at the pick and role and has far better court vision while Kyrie just does Iso plays all game long.

 

[Malta]

Curry played in the West Conference where blow average and bad teams get destroyed by the powerhouses and he played with a guy (Monta) who liked to chuck up shots. Kyrie's situation is totally different he has the ball in his hands most of the times and he plays in a conference full of other dead beat teams. And plus Curry was never mentioned as an elite PG back in those days. Kyrie on the other hand is getting his balls waxed by stans when his team is getting waxed by 44 pts by the Kings.

You just posted a list where everyone on his team is in the red, how then can his teammates not catch the blame? He leads the team in MPG, Tristan is second and they both are among the worst in the league in + / - because they are always out there with bad lineups when the game is already over. The Cavs have a talent issue, they really aren't that talented no matter what you say. You're using excuses to absolve Curry from the same blame you're placing on Kyrie, it makes no sense.


If Kyrie had better players around him, the team would be better, it's that simple. Does he have flaws, hell yeah, but at the same time he is extremely talented.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@No..Money..Mo..Problems why do you continuously post about Irving when you don't watch the Cavs?

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

You just posted a list where everyone on his team is in the red, how then can his teammates not catch the blame? He leads the team in MPG, Tristan is second and they both are among the worst in the league in + / - because they are always out there with bad lineups when the game is already over. The Cavs have a talent issue, they really aren't that talented no matter what you say. You're using excuses to absolve Curry from the same blame you're placing on Kyrie, it makes no sense.


If Kyrie had better players around him, the team would be better, it's that simple. Does he have flaws, hell yeah, but at the same time he is extremely talented.

If Curry was considered a elite PG back in the day than I woulda been shytting on him to. The fact is that Kyrie is getting unwarranted praise when he doesn't help his team win. The Cavs are 13-24 in the Leastern Conference and the 76ers are 12-25 with a Dleague roster and a coaching/staffing and GM who were told to tank. If MCW hadn't missed a bunch of games with a mysterious knee infection than the fukin 76ers woulda had a better record than the Cavs right now. You have teams trying to lose on purpose and Kyrie still can't help his team win. I would take Michael Carter Williams over Kyrie right now that's how much of a non factor Kyrie is when it comes to winning games.

 

[Malta]

If Curry was considered a elite PG back in the day than I woulda been shytting on him to. The fact is that Kyrie is getting unwarranted praise when he doesn't help his team win. The Cavs are 13-24 in the Leastern Conference and the 76ers are 12-25 with a Dleague roster and a coaching/staffing and GM who were told to tank. If MCW hadn't missed a bunch of games with a mysterious knee infection than the fukin 76ers woulda had a better record than the Cavs right now. You have teams trying to lose and Kyrie still can't help his team win.

Hawes, Thadeus Young and Evan Turner are better than anyone Kyrie had played with until the Deng trade.

I really don't get it breh, anyone can see that Cavs roster is flawed as fukk because of how poorly they've done in the draft. Earlier in the season I was down on Kryie's play, but getting at him now when he's been great the last month and some change is the wrong time.

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

Hawes, Thadeus Young and Evan Turner are better than anyone Kyrie had played with until the Deng trade.

I really don't get it breh, anyone can see that Cavs roster is flawed as fukk because of how poorly they've done in the draft.

Be honest breh would you have said this before the season began cuz all I remember is nikkas saying how the Cavs were gonna make the playoffs this year after they signed Jack, Bynum, Earl Clark etc.... Could it be that Kyrie's style of play has a negative affect on his teammates. Was Dion Waiters wrong when he said Kyrie is a ball hog who likes to play one on one hero ball?

 

[Malta]

Be honest breh would you have said this before the season began cuz all I remember is nikkas saying how the Cavs were gonna make the playoffs this year after they signed Jack, Bynum, Earl Clark etc.... Could it be that Kyrie's style of play has a negative affect on his teammates. Was Dion Waiters wrong when he said Kyrie is a ball hog who likes to play one on one hero ball?

Breh, you're talking to the wrong one on this, I've been pretty vocal in shytting on the Cavs draft picks @jaguar paw can tell you.

My hate has been pure :Playahata:

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

This is a weird ass thread


Glad my boy IT finally getting some shine though

This road trip though This squad plays up to their comp so I wouldn't be shocked if they went 3-4, 0-7 or 5-2

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

Breh, you're talking to the wrong one on this, I've been pretty vocal in shytting on the Cavs draft picks @jaguar paw can tell you.

My hate has been pure :Playahata:

I see, but what I'm tryna say is that Spencer Hawes and Thadeus Young were always considered average role players and you could make the argument that Dion Waiters and Evan Turner ain't that far apart in talent level. Tryna argue that the 76ers have a better roster than the Cavs to try to defend Kyrie's losing ways is sad breh. I gotta dip but it was a good back and forth argument though.