Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[Malta]

I'm talking about something like this


Pippen goes for a layup and Rodman just jumps right over his back, slaps him in the face, and then finishes it off by shoving him in the front row. Who is fouling bron like that now?

I'm talking about something like this


First clip is Isiah going right around Jordan's neck in mid air. Who is fouling bron like that now?
At :30...when dude tried to set a screen and dude from the pistons just tossed him to the ground and dude slid out of bounds...who is fouling bron like that now?

At :36...when Lambeer just jumps in the air and clotheslines larry bird into the ground...who is fouling bron like that now?

At :50...when the pistons just flat out squares up with the other team and Zeke comes from behind and JUMPS ON DUDES BACK ...who is squaring up on the floor with bron while a teammate jumps on his back now?

At 1:10...where the screen legit has the dude ...and they got a damn coach out there cradling his head...who is setting screens like that on bron now?

At 1:12...where Lambeer and I think Mahorn...just slam who i think nique right into the ground...and this is just cause you can see intent with Lambeer...you can see his shoulders and arm swing all the way through on the push...what to bigs are slamming bron into the floor like this now?

At 1:50...where Lambeer just straight up punches some white dude right in the face...and then puts his hands back up like he did nothing...who is punching bron like that now when he gets to the lane?



All of that and we not even 2 minutes into a 4 minute clip

All of that and I never mentioned how in some of these dudes are actually FIGHTING...it's actually people squaring up and throwing punches...when was the last time you saw two dudes in the nba square up and punch each other? Because in these clips you can see mulitple players on teams fighting all at the same time...

Your steph curry draymond green point doesn't make much sense to me cause teams have had the most success against the warriors by just ignoring draymond on the offensive end and just letting him shoot and miss uncontested 3's...so i don't get your point of closing out on draymond when none of the good defenisve teams do that...cause he is not a consistent enough shooter for anyone to worry about closing out on...in fact only the atrocious defensive teams...like the blazers tonight...who somehow stupidly doubled draymond and left curry open to shoot wide open 3...do this...

Your David Lee Steph Curry comparing is extremely disingenuous...it does not account for the year klay only started 29 games as a rookie...i am sure not having a great shooter at the 2 guard spot had something to do with steph ineffectiveness...it does not account for the two years klay spent being unable to dribble and averaging less than 1.5 free throws a game...i am sure that has something to do with steph ineffectiveness...it does not account for stephs loss 11-12 season where he didn't even play 30 games...i am sure that had something to do with his effectiveness...these are all things that had very little to nothing to do with david lee...yet david lee was the starter during these times...

Funny thing about David Lee though...they couldn't close out the cavs until they put him in the game...and an even funnier thing about david lee...is that when they got rid of him and played the cavs again the next year...they lost in 7 instead of winning in 6...which is what they did with david lee

Spurs signed David Lee and they have the second best record in basketball...they just crushed the second best team in the east by what...20 or 30 points? Didn't they already crush the Warriors this year...after signing David Lee

The Rodman on Pippen was a frustration foul, the Pistons lost that series in a sweep and it was obvious from game 1 that they couldn't hang with Bulls. Nevermind the fact it was called a flagrant foul and even the announcers go on to say how that kind of play wouldn't be allowed. I asked you which players the Pistons put out of commission breh, they had hard fouls but it never stopped anyone from going to the rim out of fear. Also, Bron has been fouled hard before, the difference is he's 260lbs and it's a lot harder for you to see it because of how he absorbs contact. @The Dankster came back with a list of dudes who give the Pistons work, despite being smaller than LeBron, but they're supposed to hurt him? If your entire defense is predicated on hurting someone else, and they don't get hurt, then what?


Nah, the threat of Draymond shooting last year was pretty big, you don't just leave a 39% three point shooter open and free. Guys would run at him and he'd put the ball on the floor and go to the rim, if they didn't run at him he'd hit the three.

There's nothing disingenuous about mentioning David Lee, he started 69 games in 2013-2014, their offense was ranked 12th despite Curry and Klay already earning the "Splash Brothers" nickname. The floor spacing 4 is when things changed for them, and if they didn't have KD this year they'd probably be having a down year in large part because of Dray's shooting. Also, David Lee was fine off the bench, he rolled to the rim and hit cutters vs the Cavs, then Dray started doing it too and the series was over

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The problem with this statement is thinking that lebron could play through it with no problem...where he is now playing the softest era of basketball ever...so regardless of his size...i don't see how you can be absolutely confident that a guy who now plays in a league where if you touch him it's a foul can go play in a league where rodman can come across his head AND THEN dump his ass in the front row...

So why are guys (but not Lebron) getting injured more than ever, with fewer fouls called than any point in the last 40 years, if it's the "softest" era ever?

On a play to play standpoint, everything from the 1950s to the 1980s was FAR softer. The fights and dirty plays were the exception, for the most part teams were running up and down the court fast breaking all the time, playing little defense, looked like an all-star game. Like I said, you had mediocre Blazer teams without three-point shooters or a post presence scoring 120ppg. And despite the soft defense, they were shooting MORE free throws back then, not less.

look at what Lebron did when Nazr shoved him...a bunch of nothing...your "270lb former all state football player" just got shoved to the ground by a dude and he would not even move until there were players, coaches, and refs between him and Nazr...Ray Allen standing over him like he about to take a bullet from the upper deck from Bron

Now...you telling me this same dude is somehow going to play through getting yoked by Rodman, getting hip checked out of bounds by Mahorn, getting flatout punched and clotheslined by Lambeer......nikka was to scared to even get back to his feet over a push...

Yeah, Lebron was "scared" of Nazr Mohammed.

He made the smart play, like he usually does. Make Nazr look bad, don't let a trash role player bait you into a tech or an ejection, then get off the floor and kick their asses.
Exactly what do you think he should have done? Pulled his dikk out to prove he was a man?

And at you talking like the worst things the Bad Boy Pistons did to anyone would suddenly all happen to Lebron in consecutive order. Yet freaking Chris Mullin and Tom Chambers were dominating them for 25-30 every single trip onto the court.

 

[Remote]

I said nothing about Lebron in this thread

 

[Malta]

Oakley was on the Knicks in 88??!!!

Yes 88-89 check the link, which is why it's so shocking that Michael Adams lived through the game

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Yes 88-89 check the link, which is why it's so shocking that Michael Adams lived through the game

Goddamn, I don't know why I had it in my head that he became a Knick in the 90s...damn I'm

 

[Professor Emeritus]

"Because THEY HAD JORDAN

If I have one mission on the coli it will be to kill the notion that Jordan had a great supporting cast relative to other champions#MJdaGoat"

So the 3rd best player on the team averaged 5 ppg and that's a super team?


#MJdaGoat

You PPG guys are something else.

The 1996 Bulls had THREE OF THE FIVE guys on the All-Defensive 1st team. You have 60% of the best defenders in the league on one squad, with your other two starters a 6'6" point guard and a 7'1" center, then your first guy off the bench a 6'10" forward, and you're dominating teams right off the bat without a lot of points.

Talking about the ppg of Jordan's supporting cast is meaningless. There were four 1st-ballot Hall of Famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Jackson) working together, the perfect compliment to a volume scorer. You didn't need guys who stole shots from Jordan, you needed setup guys (which Pippen and Harper did ably) some shooters to keep it open (Kerr and Kukoc were the best-shooting guard and best-shooting big man in the entire NBA), rebounders (Rodman/Pippen/Jordan were all the best rebounders in the NBA at their positions, and Longley/Kukoc and most of the bench pulled boards too), and an absolutely suffocating defense.

The 1996-1998 Bulls were a fantastic supporting cast, perfectly suited to Jordan and far better than the teams they played against. They had the best defense, rebounding, shooters, and coaching in the league, with a perfect hole in volume scoring to be filled by Jordan.

I agree that 1991-1993, it was only a "good" supporting cast. (Look at their 55 wins and near-Finals appearance without Jordan in 1994.) But by 1996, the team was perfect.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

If we brought handchecking back in conjunction with the zone we'd be right back to that atrocious '03-04 season again. That was the time when teams started to seriously implement the zone and the results were awful....hell some of the leagues best players like TMac, AI, and KG were openly complaining about how the zones were making it so difficult to score, and even MJ said that he wouldn't have been the player he was if he had to deal with zone defenses. Zones have become hella advanced nowadays, so if you let defenses be more physical again the games would be

NBA HAD to do something to make the game watchable again. The league is entertainment first and foremost. They allowed zones after '01 to give the league an easier time guarding Shaq but once teams started really figuring out how to utilize it, offense plummeted all around.

 

[Malta]

Goddamn, I don't know why I had it in my head that he became a Knick in the 90s...damn I'm

It was close, that was his first season with them so most of his time with the Knicks was in the 90s.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

You PPG guys are something else.

The 1996 Bulls had THREE OF THE FIVE guys on the All-Defensive 1st team. You have 60% of the best defenders in the league on one squad, with your other two starters a 6'6" point guard and a 7'1" center, then your first guy off the bench a 6'10" forward, and you're dominating teams right off the bat without a lot of points.

Talking about the ppg of Jordan's supporting cast is meaningless. There were four 1st-ballot Hall of Famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Jackson) working together, the perfect compliment to a volume scorer. You didn't need guys who stole shots from Jordan, you needed setup guys (which Pippen and Harper did ably) some shooters to keep it open (Kerr and Kukoc were the best-shooting guard and best-shooting big man in the entire NBA), rebounders (Rodman/Pippen/Jordan were all the best rebounders in the NBA at their positions, and Longley/Kukoc and most of the bench pulled boards too), and an absolutely suffocating defense.

The 1996-1998 Bulls were a fantastic supporting cast, perfectly suited to Jordan and far better than the teams they played against. They had the best defense, rebounding, shooters, and coaching in the league, with a perfect hole in volume scoring to be filled by Jordan.

I agree that 1991-1993, it was only a "good" supporting cast. (Look at their 55 wins and near-Finals appearance without Jordan in 1994.) But by 1996, the team was perfect.

That's not my quote bruh...I was quoting another poster for my discussion with Dark Knight

 

[NYC Rebel]

I clearly remember those Knicks and Pacers games with Marv Saying "that is the Knicks first field goal in 6 and half minutes."

those teams and those shytty scoring droughts every game

 

[Jplaya2023]

oh brother

 

[Malta]

If we brought handchecking back in conjunction with the zone we'd be right back to that atrocious '03-04 season again. That was the time when teams started to seriously implement the zone and the results were awful....hell some of the leagues best players like TMac, AI, and KG were openly complaining about how the zones were making it so difficult to score, and even MJ said that he wouldn't have been the player he was if he had to deal with zone defenses. Zones have become hella advanced nowadays, so if you let defenses be more physical again the games would be

NBA HAD to do something to make the game watchable again. The league is entertainment first and foremost. They allowed zones after '01 to give the league an easier time guarding Shaq but once teams started really figuring out how to utilize it, offense plummeted all around.

I clearly remember those Knicks and Pacers games with Marv Saying "that is the Knicks first field goal in 6 and half minutes."

those teams and those shytty scoring droughts every game

The 03-04 Pistons vs Pacers series was the final straw, game 6 ended in a 69 to 65 win for the Pistons

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

If we brought handchecking back in conjunction with the zone we'd be right back to that atrocious '03-04 season again. That was the time when teams started to seriously implement the zone and the results were awful....hell some of the leagues best players like TMac, AI, and KG were openly complaining about how the zones were making it so difficult to score, and even MJ said that he wouldn't have been the player he was if he had to deal with zone defenses. Zones have become hella advanced nowadays, so if you let defenses be more physical again the games would be

NBA HAD to do something to make the game watchable again. The league is entertainment first and foremost. They allowed zones after '01 to give the league an easier time guarding Shaq but once teams started really figuring out how to utilize it, offense plummeted all around.

Bingo. The big fella went and broke the game in the eyes of the league in the 2001 finals when he saw the defensive player of the year was gonna check him and instead of getting all , he got all and averaged 33-15-5 with 3.4 blocks per game on 57% shooting. "They changed the game because of me. Other teams whine and cry because of me. Being the best is too easy for me."

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

The 03-04 Pistons vs Pacers series was the final straw, game 6 ended in a 69 to 65 win for the Pistons

You had to remind me that multiple games that series had both teams under 70 innthe final minute. Struggle ball that made late 90's Knicks vs Heat games resemble the SSOL Suns taking on some other high powered offense, yet some posters think those Pistons would win it all in this era and could hang with teams like Golden State for some reason

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Bingo. The big fella went and broke the game in the eyes of the league in the 2001 finals when he saw the defensive player of the year was gonna check him and instead of getting all , he got all and averaged 33-15-5 with 3.4 blocks per game on 57% shooting. "They changed the game because of me. Other teams whine and cry because of me. Being the best is too easy for me."

That's a great video