Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

[Originalman]

it becomes viable to have a stretch 4 because you cant run a good offense with 4 big men clogging up the paint, with most defenses trying hard to pack the paint to not give up layups.

you can touch the defender you cant extend your hand and push them and i dont see a problem with that. guys setting screens get called for fouls far more than the man being picked.

there is so much space because there is too much ground to cover with teams like GS and houston. these dudes are even at the 3 pt line, they are two and 3 ft behind ready to shoot it.

it seems to me hes basically crying because they cant foul people like they used to because that was the only way they could defend.

It is really no different than a DB from the 90s complaining how you can't touch WRs now.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

My question is: when is the Coli as a collective going to concede that MAYBE these oldheads are making a valid point?

People got on Oscar Robertson when he called out in a damn-near prophetic fashion how Golden State weren't as good as advertised.

People scoffed at Barkley when he said that he'd never jump ship to join a ready-made contender.

Now people are questioning Isaiah.

It couldn't be that these oldheads who've played in the NBA and who now observe it for a living are correct in their criticisms of the league.

come on now... this is the coli


of course they know more than actual nba hall of famers who lived and breathed basketball for all their lives before, during and after their decorated careers

 

[duckbutta]

The stretch big started with the 94-95 Rockets, when they started Horry at the 4, even though he had previously played the 3. That was with handchecking, he took 4 a game, then 6 a game the next season.

Handchecking had nothing to do with with Oakley types vanishing from the league and more to do with the zone being implemented and teams with smaller bigs (Pistons) being able to defend teams with larger bigs (Lakers) because they could shrink the floor and effectively double a player like Shaq without the ball.

For Handchecking I was meaning more for guards. For big men it doesn't really matter that much cause they are sort of allowed to touch each other. For guards removing handchecking was pretty much the death of perimeter defense because point guards are typically the smallest, fastest, most athletic players on the court and once you make a rule that says you can't touch that person then it becomes impossible to guard them, it becomes impossible to play real defense really since now every single point guard can at worst become a drive and kick guy, since he can now run into the lane at will and if you touch him, it's a foul and they take it out of bounds to do it again or it;s a foul and he is shooting freethrows. This is how you end up with players like Derrick Rose who won an MVP without being able to ever hit 5 jumpshots in a row...

I meant "stretch" 4 in the derogatory term of a "big" who doesn't play with much physicality on either end of the floor. And the Horry reference is a little misleading since he played with Keem, Shaq, and Timmy. It's not really hard to be a stretch 4 even back then when you are playing next to 3 of the greatest big men ever, who are going to command a double team virtually every single play, so you just kind of get to spot up wherever and wait for the ball to come to you. Versus now where you can legit play Channing Fry with Tristan Thompson, and not really worry about Fry NOT getting some good looks because the rules dictate you can't really interfere with his shot. Swap out Keem Shaq and Timmy with Koncack Wennington and Cartwright and I have serious doubts about how effective that strategy of a stretch 4 becomes in the 90's. Actually we know it's not really an effective strategy because teams who didn't have Keem Shaq and Timmy weren't doing it that much

 

[UpAndComing]

it becomes viable to have a stretch 4 because you cant run a good offense with 4 big men clogging up the paint, with most defenses trying hard to pack the paint to not give up layups.

you can touch the defender you cant extend your hand and push them and i dont see a problem with that. guys setting screens get called for fouls far more than the man being picked.

there is so much space because there is too much ground to cover with teams like GS and houston. these dudes are even at the 3 pt line, they are two and 3 ft behind ready to shoot it.

it seems to me hes basically crying because they cant foul people like they used to because that was the only way they could defend.

I'm guessing you never watched the Lakers win back to back titles with Gasol and Bynum in the paint

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Because THEY HAD JORDAN

If I have one mission on the coli it will be to kill the notion that Jordan had a great supporting cast relative to other champions#MJdaGoat

pippen and rodman weren't great now

 

[Originalman]

so what's gonna be the excuses this time??

he mad

he a drunk too

he don't watch the games

he don't know basketball

b-b-b-b-b-but 3 pointers and analytics

Also in those highlights how many illegal screens did you see. I saw a few in the highlights.

Back in the day if a team did those illegal screens and not get fouls called on them. Defenders would then punish the screener by putting their head down and running through the screen blowing it up and basically telling the offensive player cut that dirty illegal screening out.

Now a day if a defender puts his head down and runs through a screen he gets a flagrant foul. Just look at the last two final series between the cavs and warriors. In 2 seperate series JR smith got flagrant fouls for running through warrior screens. Cause he got tired of the illegal screens and wanted to send a message.

 

[jadillac]

were they also saying this when these players dropped 50s back in the day?

Willie Burton the GAWD with that 53 point masterpiece.

Only og's remember this

 

[Walt]

Willie Burton the GAWD with that 53 point masterpiece.

Only og's remember this

Gotta be the worst player to hit for 50 ever.

 

[ISO]

I'm guessing you never watched the Lakers win back to back titles with Gasol and Bynum in the paint

That was 6 years ago and Gasol had exceptional passing skills and could hit long two's.

 

[street heat]

I'm guessing you never watched the Lakers win back to back titles with Gasol and Bynum in the paint

the game has changed even since then though.

 

[UpAndComing]

That was 6 years ago and Gasol had exceptional passing skills and could hit long two's.

How old are you? You act like 6 years ago is ancient

 

[Samori Toure]

Breh I remember that game as a kid and saw that shyt live. That was a hell of a game too.

When ever I see or here the name Kelly Tripuka I think about that dunk. It never fails. To this day I still don't know what Rex Chapman was trying to do on that play:
Jordan was like
Chapman was on this shyt

As soon as Jordan went around Chapman; Tripuka was .

As soon as Jordan finished the dunk Tripuka was like




That shyt was vicious at full speed.

 

[jadillac]

Gotta be the worst player to hit for 50 ever.

might be, but he got that Inside Stuff segment.

 

[Walt]

might be, but he got that Inside Stuff segment.

I remember dude in college.

 

[duckbutta]

Another thing that bothers me about todays nba is the whole "feel for contact"...where players are just trying to get somebody to reach or touch them so they can flail they arms and get freethrows...

Kawhi Leonard my favorite player but last night he pulled this hoe ass shyt and I almost stopped watching the game...dude came off a screen with derozan trailing him...felt derozan arm against his arm...and derozan wasn't even reaching it was just natural body contact between a guy trying to go under a screen...man Kawhi SHOT PUT the ball at the rim ...he just fukking palmed the ball with one hand and launched it...and it was no reason to...because Derozan wasn't doing anything to keep him from going through a real shot...and that shyt missed everything...shyt looked like a shanked field goal...but...he got 3 freethrows out of it...and i don't think that is real basketball...to just feel a guy touching you, so you launch the ball with one hand into the 3rd row...so you can get 3 freethrows...and of course it happened in the 80's and 90's but not NEARLY as much as it does now...Harden has legit built a superstar game around doing this...