Isiah Thomas GOES OFF on this current NBA era

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His entire legacy is built off two fukking games, one of which was a series where the pacers got blown out in game 7 anyway :russ:

Reggie Miller has the highest true shooting percentage of all time for a guard. This is absurdly false.
 

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The current east outside of obviously Cleveland isn't any better than the Knicks or Pacers of the 90's who couldn't beat Chicago. I'd argue the Penny and Shaq Magic were easily better than anyone lebron has had to go through in the east over the last 5 years
Those scoring drought Knicks teams would lose to the Raptors. Man please
 

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Reggie Miller has the highest true shooting percentage of all time for a guard. This is absurdly false.
Reggie Miller only made an all NBA team of any kind when the league decided to add an third team in the mid 90s. His during season play wasn't even viewed a season great compared to his made for tv greatness that came from some freakish shooting in a handful of playoff games
 

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Reggie Miller only made an all NBA team of any kind when the league decided to add an third team in the mid 90s. His during season play wasn't even viewed a season great compared to his made for tv greatness that came from some freakish shooting in a handful of playoff games

Well he played the same position as Jordan did in his prime.
 

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Well he played the same position as Jordan did in his prime.

Mitch Richmond managed to make several teams during that era. Seems to me that his play was actually more valued, the only thing
Missing being those handful of made For tv moments which defined Reggie's career .
 

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Mitch Richmond managed to make several teams during that era. Seems to me that his play was actually more valued, the only thing
Missing being those handful of made For tv moments which defined Reggie's career .

Mitch Richmond was a really good player himself was he not?

Saying Reggie would be a nobody now is no different than saying Ray Allen wasn't good either, which would be absurd.
 

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So selling contact to draw an extra two foul shots AND the ball means a player can't handle physical play?

They can't help themselves. Even Reggie never made an all NBA second team while only making two third teams. They actually think one big name star makes up for how trash the rest of the roster was.
Goes to mindset. I never saw any of these old school players besides Miller pulling that shyt. Be a man
 

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Mitch Richmond was a really good player himself was he not?

Saying Reggie would be a nobody now is no different than saying Ray Allen wasn't good either, which would be absurd.
Saying Reggie Miller is overrated is true now as it was during his career.

He got in the HOF quicker than Mitch as well.
 

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This forum the only group of people I've heard of consistently hating 90's basketball :dahell:
It's not hating. It's arguing against the dumb ass "80's teams would sweep every team in 2017 AND break their legs too!" speech that every old head and retired player spouts off...

Guess what? Wilt Chamberlain thought the 80's and 90's were watered down and weak. He didn't respect guys like MJ. So...since Wilt said it Jordan must be trash right?
 

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Saying Reggie Miller is overrated is true now as it was during his career.

He got in the HOF quicker than Mitch as well.

He's not even remotely overrated. We had this talk last year whenit was explained thoroughly. Reggie's efficiency/volume dwarfs Mitch's.


I'm not sure how you're ranking the best Pacers teams, but Reggie was their best player from '90-'01. Big reason they were able to still contend when he was a shell of himself is because of the emergence of Ron Artest who the Pacers damn sure could've used in the mid '90s. If you look at how insane those Pacers offenses produced when he was on the court (122 Ortg on average during that 11 year span, which is incredible) he did more than his share to keep the team relevant. By the NBA's cupcake HOF standards the man should moonwalk there, that's not a borderline discussion

Yeah, it's fair to consider Miller one dimensional. But does that matter when he was borderline dominant at the one aspect of the game and it had a huge ripple effect on the entirety of his team's offense? And then he got even better in the postseason which is the biggest stage this game has to offer? And he didn't just shoot, but he did a great job of getting to the FT line which is a very important skill for volume scorers. His off ball movement wasn't just spotting up which a lot of people define it as. but also cutting to the basket, leaking out in transition where he was remarkable and being able to hit shots even when well contested by a closing defender.

Miller isn't seen as GAWD shooting guard idk where this even comes from. The consensus opinion is that he's a scrawny, irritating one dimensional yet elite jumpshooter that had a long career with the Pacers. Most famous thing he's remembered for is the 8 points in 9 seconds stretch against the Knicks in the '95 playoffs and doing a choking gesture toward Spike Lee. He's had a lot of other incredible postseason performances aside from that, but we don't talk about them. People will talk about how garbage he is as a broadcaster before his performance in the '95 PS against the Hawks (31 ppg; 66 TS%) and Magic (25.9ppg; 66 TS%). Nobody with a brain is saying he's on par with Jordan, just that he's had some good moments against MJ which is true.

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