Israel being Israel yet again

[DonDadda]

When Muslims believe these same facts it makes them look hypocritical and contradictory

if you take the Bible and religion out of the conflict there’s no “holy lands” to fight over and no conflict to begin with

Arabs would just accept the land they had years ago and 2 state solution from the beginning

but seems like Arab Muslim extremists leaders want Israel not to exist in the land their own Quran agrees God gave to them (before Islam or Palestinians even existed historically) more than they want peace and a separate land for their fellow Palestinian Arabs living in the region ever since 1948.

maybe you can explain to me why Israel simply existing and being a state is such a threat to Muslims who claim to share the “same God” with them?

Jews and Muslims lived in harmony before Israel came to be. Jewish 'extremists' also say that jews should not have returned to the land they were exiled from until the return of the messiah.

Plus, Israel is not simply existing, it's treating Palestinians as 2nd class citizens, kicking them out their homes and illegally annexing more land as time goes by. If the Muslims had a suspicion before that a Jewish state would undermine their existence then It's definitely been confirmed now. Why do white jews feel they have the sole right to live on that land?

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

When Muslims believe these same facts it makes them look hypocritical and contradictory

if you take the Bible and religion out of the conflict there’s no “holy lands” to fight over and no conflict to begin with

Arabs would just accept the land they had years ago and 2 state solution from the beginning

but seems like Arab Muslim extremists leaders want Israel not to exist in the land their own Quran agrees God gave to them (before Islam or Palestinians even existed historically) more than they want peace and a separate land for their fellow Palestinian Arabs living in the region ever since 1948.

maybe you can explain to me why Israel simply existing and being a state is such a threat to Muslims who claim to share the “same God” with them?

we dont though. we believe Gods covenant with the Jews has been broken

“Allah made a covenant with the Children of Israel and appointed twelve leaders from among them and ˹then˺ said, “I am truly with you. If you establish prayer, pay alms-tax, believe in My messengers, support them, and lend to Allah a good loan, I will certainly forgive your sins and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow. And whoever among you disbelieves afterwards has truly strayed from the Right Way.” (5:12)
“But for breaking their covenant We condemned them and hardened their hearts. They distorted the words of the Scripture and neglected a portion of what they had been commanded to uphold. You ˹O Prophet˺ will always find deceit on their part, except for a few. But pardon them and bear with them. Indeed, Allah loves the good-doers.” (5:13)

Christian and Jewish holy texts have no significance in Islamic theology only Qur’an, Hadith and Sunnah (and for Shi’a the Imams statements are relevant)

 

[DoubleClutch]

Jews and Muslims lived in harmony before Israel came to be. Jewish 'extremists' also say that jews should not returned to the land they were exiled from until the return of the messiah.

Plus, Israel is not simply existing, it's treating Palestinians as 2nd class citizens, kicking them out their homes and illegally annexing more land as time goes by. If the Muslims had a suspicion before that a Jewish state would undermine their existence then It's definitely been confirmed now. Why do white jews feel they have the sole right to live on that land?

That’s my point. It’s about the region existing, regardless of the people in it.

That’s why you should watch the video

as long as it’s named Israel as it’s always been know as this and recognized by people living there ALL can live there in harmony as they did before

problem is Muslim extremists/ PLO ruined it and don’t want it happening

it’s a mixture of religion/politics and anti semitism and anti Arab/Arab fear coming from both sides

only issue is what do Arabs have to fear or hate in Israel

Israel is one small land surrounded by many Arab nations trying to survive

who should be afraid and on the defense really? Definitely not Arab nations

Jews have a history of being targeted and persecuted

you can choose to believe ancient history or not but

since we all agree the Holocaust happened and these same people ended up in Israel today you can’t really blame them for being scared and fighting back

 

[Techniec]

That’s my point. It’s about the region existing, regardless of the people in it.

That’s why you should watch the video

as long as it’s named Israel as it’s always been know as this and recognized by people living there ALL can live there in harmony as they did before

problem is Muslim extremists/ PLO ruined it and don’t want it happening

it’s a mixture of religion/politics and anti semitism and anti Arab/Arab fear coming from both sides

only issue is what do Arabs have to fear or hate in Israel

Israel is one small land surrounded by many Arab nations trying to survive

who should be afraid and on the defense really? Definitely not Arab nations

Jews have a history of being targeted and persecuted

you can choose to believe ancient history or not but

since we all agree the Holocaust happened and these same people ended up in Israel today you can’t really blame them for being scared and fighting back

This is absolute nonsense

 

[DoubleClutch]

we dont though. we believe Gods covenant with the Jews has been broken

“Allah made a covenant with the Children of Israel and appointed twelve leaders from among them and ˹then˺ said, “I am truly with you. If you establish prayer, pay alms-tax, believe in My messengers, support them, and lend to Allah a good loan, I will certainly forgive your sins and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow. And whoever among you disbelieves afterwards has truly strayed from the Right Way.” (5:12)
“But for breaking their covenant We condemned them and hardened their hearts. They distorted the words of the Scripture and neglected a portion of what they had been commanded to uphold. You ˹O Prophet˺ will always find deceit on their part, except for a few. But pardon them and bear with them. Indeed, Allah loves the good-doers.” (5:13)

Christian and Jewish holy texts have no significance in Islamic theology only Qur’an, Hadith and Sunnah (and for Shi’a the Imams statements are relevant)

I’m not here to debate religion so I’ll leave it alone

but it’s comments like these that serve as a perfect example of why I can’t take Islam seriously

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

I’m not here to debate religion so I’ll leave it alone

but it’s comments like these that serve as a perfect example of why I can’t take Islam seriously

why is it any less serious than other abrahamic religions.

you said we believe in the Bible and that we think there is a holy land promised to the Jewish people. thats just not true in our religion

 

[Professor Emeritus]

At the end of the day. Jews are cac. CAC stick together no matter what. Nazi's came to this country and got treated better than black people.

Did you really just say those three sentences in a row and not see the contradiction?

can’t be mad at Israel for winning fights they didn’t start

Goddamn you shytpost a lot but this is one of the worst.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Wrong thread. Carry on

but I’ll say just watch the video I posted last page

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

imagine living in your house your father built for decades and then this guy shows up to take it from you

 

[Techniec]

remain ignorant if you want. The video states historical facts and breaks down the entire timeline of the evolution and creation of the word Palestine and the people of the region in a way anyone can follow and understand

who the “real” Jews are is a separate debate I’ve never heard a Palestinian bring up to support their claim for the land.

recent history proves that the PLO and Arab leaders in surrounding countries made bad decisions and lost wars resulting in the situation we have today

now Israel is too powerful and Palestinians today will continue taking Ls when they trying fighting instead of negotiating

can’t be mad at Israel for winning fights they didn’t start

Israel has started every war it's been involved in with the possible exception of 73

 

[Okocha]

If the torah said the Jews lived there and the Koran said the Jews lived there, give them back their land. Simple

 

[Kurt off them percs]

If the torah said the Jews lived there and the Koran said the Jews lived there, give them back their land. Simple

Two things

1 Arabs lived there as well, along side the Jews in peace mind you..

2. The Jews you speak of are not of that land but of from various regions of Europe, who needed a place to go after WW2. They went there for the first time in their lives and caused all types of issues and even displaced the Jews that lived there before them.

 

[Okocha]

Two things

1 Arabs lived there as well, along side the Jews in peace mind you..

2. The Jews you speak of are not of that land but of from various regions of Europe, who needed a place to go after WW2. They went there for the first time in their lives and caused all types of issues and even displaced the Jews that lived there before them.

Thats your view other jews would say otherwise, either way the original jews whoever they are should have their ancestral land. A place called Israel should remain, and the Arabs who migrated there whether its 1000 years or whatever should leave.

 

[TrapParis]

Thats your view other jews would say otherwise, either way the original jews whoever they are should have their ancestral land. A place called Israel should remain, and the Arabs who migrated there whether its 1000 years or whatever should leave.

Most Jews are Cacs breh. They even gave Ethiopian jews birth control trying to sterilize them

 

[Okocha]

Most Jews are Cacs breh. They even gave Ethiopian jews birth control trying to sterilize them

They same method they used to find out which ethiopian is jew, was the same method to find out which cac was jew also.

The sterilisation of Africans in Israel, is a completely different issue which I am more sympathetic towards, than the natural occupants of israel/Palestine area