Israelis call this 'roof knocking'.

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It's already been established that a multitude of peoples have always inhabited the land.

Are Arabs indigenous to Palestine?

If not, then its NOT "Arab" land.

by that logic nothing belongs to nobody

yes Im sure the Sumerians controlled it at one point but thats not very relevant to contemporary middle eastern politics now is it einstein

arabs have been the majority population in the levant for centuries and most certainly were when european jews showed up en masse in the last century

and i dont use arab in its purest sense, ie the arabs of the peninsula/yemen but referring to the palestinians who are arabized but essentially share the same genetic stock as jews
 

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I invite @Napoleon to tell us a single issue where he doesn't agree with the status quo or the more powerful party.

Who said I supported Israel?

I'm not picking a side (i'm really not cause Ive always aligned with the palestinian people), but talking about how Israel just has to take punches sounds ridiculous to me.
 

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Who said I supported Israel?

I'm not picking a side (i'm really not cause Ive always aligned with the palestinian people), but talking about how Israel just has to take punches sounds ridiculous to me.

See it all depends on ur perspective here

If its a moral slash legal one then Israel doesn't have to take a single punch it can ensure a just and viable peace tomorrow

But if it's a might makes right argument devoid of morality then you're right why should Israel take a punch it should just ethnically cleanse the Arabs and bulldoze the entire west bank and gaza
 

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See it all depends on ur perspective here

If its a moral slash legal one then Israel doesn't have to take a single punch it can ensure a just and viable peace tomorrow
Lets say Israel isn't behind this...then who is violating the cease fires?

But if it's a might makes right argument devoid of morality then you're right why should Israel take a punch it should just ethnically cleanse the Arabs and bulldoze the entire west bank and gaza

I didn't say this either.
 

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Lets say Israel isn't behind this...then who is violating the cease fires?

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What cease fire are we referring to? I generally don't even like discussing cease fires because its the imposition by a stronger party on the weaker one of a temporary halt to a greater crime, in exchange for the continuation of a different crime

And I didn't say that's what Ur position was I just wanted to expand more on that point
 

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What cease fire are we referring to? I generally don't even like discussing cease fires because its the imposition by a stronger party on the weaker one of a temporary halt to a greater crime, in exchange for the continuation of a different crime

And I didn't say that's what Ur position was I just wanted to expand more on that point

"crime" is subjective and enforced by the "winners" or those with the actual power in the conflict.

So lets drop that.

Furthermore, i'm talking about when "hamas" or basically non-Israel kept launching shyt during the agreed upon "intermission"
 

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"crime" is subjective and enforced by the "winners" or those with the actual power in the conflict.

So lets drop that.

Furthermore, i'm talking about when "hamas" or basically non-Israel kept launching shyt during the agreed upon "intermission"

Crime is subjective that's why I'm simply offering my opinion. I'm sure there's a few judeofascist settlers and right wing nuts who think anything less than a nuke dropped on Gaza would be a crime

What intermission are u referring to? And why are we talking about minor details like 5 day intermissions and 2 month cease fires instead of an occupation going back decades?
 

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Crime is subjective that's why I'm simply offering my opinion. I'm sure there's a few judeofascist settlers and right wing nuts who think anything less than a nuke dropped on Gaza would be a crime

What intermission are u referring to? And why are we talking about minor details like 5 day intermissions and 2 month cease fires instead of an occupation going back decades?
Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't there a temporary cease-fire that the non-israel side didn't uphold?
 

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Here's my question. If Hamas said (and did) it would stop the rockets and suicide bombing and recognize Israel, would all this be over tomorrow? I think yes.

If Israel said (and did) stop bombings and stopped building settlements would this be over tomorrow? I think no.

That's generally why I support Israel and not the Palestinians.
 

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Here's my question. If Hamas said (and did) it would stop the rockets and suicide bombing and recognize Israel, would all this be over tomorrow? I think yes.

If Israel said (and did) stop bombings and stopped building settlements would this be over tomorrow? I think no.

That's generally why I support Israel and not the Palestinians.

:usure: When did they stop building illegal settlements?

A new report by the Israeli Bureau of Statistics revealed on Tuesday that Israel increased settlement construction in the West Bank by as much as 123 Tuesday in 2013, compared with the previous year.

The news was released moments before Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met the US President Barack Obama for a three-hour meeting in Washington.

Back in Israel, the statistics provoked an outcry amongst left-wing Israeli policy makers, while some on the right claimed the rate of the construction was not enough.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ues-figures-on-huge-settlement-expansion.html

They are probably understating the figures too.
 

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by that logic nothing belongs to nobody

yes Im sure the Sumerians controlled it at one point but thats not very relevant to contemporary middle eastern politics now is it einstein

arabs have been the majority population in the levant for centuries and most certainly were when european jews showed up en masse in the last century

and i dont use arab in its purest sense, ie the arabs of the peninsula/yemen but referring to the palestinians who are arabized but essentially share the same genetic stock as jews

There's Arab Jews breh

The whole Jew vs Arab narrative is so misleading
 

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WTF are you talking about?

Dawg, on the world stage those with POWER make the rules.

PERIOD.

if Hamas is really about that life, they need to go all in and say fukk it.

Cause if you not gonna really do damage, then you're wasting time.

I'm not even siding with Israel, but to ignore their power is asinine.

Don't front like any other country EVER would just sit back and use restraint.

This isn't a fight on your block, this is geopolitics.

greatly overestimated....

its like an average looking woman standing to next an extremely ugly looking woman.
The average looking woman suddenly looks like a supermodel and goes from a 5 to a 9 out of 10..
this is the same affect when you place the Israelis next to brain dead Arab morons and poor Palestinians, Israel shines brightly and looks unbeatable

put it next to any NATO country even Belgium or Netherlands and it looks normal..
 
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