It's always funny when "fans" make contradictory and hypocritical arguments

[Goatpoacher]

Sports fans can be rather irrational, but it would be appreciated if everybody consistently applied the same rules to everybody.

The worst offenders are, without argument, kobestans. When talking about Kobe's career PPG, they say "You should throw out his first few years because he was on the bench."

But, when they want to talk about scoring TOTALS, they don't demand that his first few years should be thrown out.

I know that particular group has transformed an alternative lifestyle into an alternative universe. But the NBA playoffs always brings on a rash of fans who rip apart player X for something that equally applies to player Y. One of the worst examples is Lebron fans saying about Melo what everybody used to unfairly say about Lebron.

Hating on teams/players is fine, but whatever your criteria, it should be applied equally to everybody.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

"Kobe will never win without Shaq". Kobe wins back to back fmvps. Then its "Kobe cant win without dominant big man". That's what you meant right? Or did you mean "Kobe only wins with stacked teams"

 

[HHR]

I agree with the title.

But your example is dumb as shyt.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's always funny when "fans" talk about the same player/player's fans, over and over and over and over and over (ad infinitum) again.

 

[CantStop]

"Kobe will never win without Shaq". Kobe wins back to back fmvps. Then its "Kobe cant win without dominant big man". That's what you meant right? Or did you mean "Kobe only wins with stacked teams"

/thread

 

[Goatpoacher]

It's always funny when "fans" talk about the same player/player's fans, again.

Beyond your strange problem with redundancy, I'm not sure how you are addressing the thread topic. You seem to be fairly consistent in how you measure players. Take Deron Williams. A few years ago, Deron's teams were better and CP3 seemed to always be injured. Now the situation seems reversed. Yet the same people seem to take the same sides based on the opposite reasoning.

 

[Goatpoacher]

"Kobe will never win without Shaq". Kobe wins back to back fmvps. Then its "Kobe cant win without dominant big man". That's what you meant right? Or did you mean "Kobe only wins with stacked teams"

That may be an example of changing the goalposts, but it's not an example of contradictory or hypocritical reasoning.

Take one of my favorites: Back in 2004 or so, Tmac was criticized by kobestans for losing against the Pistons even though his team was up 3-1. When Kobe went up 3-1 and lost....

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Beyond your strange problem with redundancy, I'm not sure how you are addressing the thread topic.

Look at your argument-example and think about it again.

Take Deron Williams. A few years ago, Deron's teams were better and CP3 seemed to always be injured. Now the situation seems reversed. Yet the same people seem to take the same sides based on the opposite reasoning.

On what scale? CP3 and Deron have always had level-ability as players and had relatively the same amount of individual success, since they've been in the league.

 

[Bilz]

Sports fans like to come up with theories they like and then isolate statistics that support those theories while ignoring harmful stats that have equal relevance.

In a LeBron vs Kobe argument, Kobestans would point at ring count and say end of discussion even though they wouldn't consider Duncan to be meeting or exceeding Kobe with a 5th ring this year (while having more regular season and finals MVPs and basically matching his all nba, all star, and all defensive team counts)

 

[RedBull]

Seems like a thread about Kobe fans/stans, so why not just say "It's Funny when Kobe stans....."?

Give it to them Skippy.

 

[Goatpoacher]

On what scale? CP3 and Deron have always had level-ability as players and had relatively the same amount of individual success, since been in the league.

overall that's correct, but year on year they've had different degrees of success. I've always been of the opinion that Cp3 is the better overall point guard. Back in their first 3 years, people would point to the head to head matchup as evidence that Dwill was better. Recently, the head to head matchup has gone to cp3.

It's a shame sohh is dead so people can pretend like they didn't say the shyt they really did.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

That may be an example of changing the goalposts, but it's not an example of contradictory or hypocritical reasoning.

Take one of my favorites: Back in 2004 or so, Tmac was criticized by kobestans for losing against the Pistons even though his team was up 3-1. When Kobe went up 3-1 and lost....

Kareem and Magic can win together. Nobody says they cant win with without stacked teams. Bird, and 3 hot, nobody says the team is stacked. Bron, wade, bosh = not stacked.

Contradiction

 

[Goatpoacher]

Kareem and Magic can win together. Nobody says they cant win with without stacked teams. Bird, and 3 hot, nobody says the team is stacked. Bron, wade, bosh = not stacked.

Contradiction

You inadvertently bring up another example. Magic and Bird had the good fortune of being drafted onto stacked teams. But both of the c*nts took issue with Lebron forming his own stacked team. The 1980's Lakers/Celts had more overall talent than the current Heat.

 

[Bilz]

Kareem and Magic can win together. Nobody says they cant win with without stacked teams. Bird, and 3 hot, nobody says the team is stacked. Bron, wade, bosh = not stacked.

Contradiction

The problem is you Kobestans like comparing Kobe to other players based on TEAM success and you try to argue that quality of teammates is irrelevant to the discussion.

Any of you Kobestans who use the rings argument and don't think Wade was a better player than Kobe in 2006...

 

[Street Knowledge]

Sports fans like to come up with theories they like and then isolate statistics that support those theories while ignoring harmful stats that have equal relevance.

In a LeBron vs Kobe argument, Kobestans would point at ring count and say end of discussion even though they wouldn't consider Duncan to be meeting or exceeding Kobe with a 5th ring this year (while having more regular season and finals MVPs and basically matching his all nba, all star, and all defensive team counts)

Team success is only a part of Kobe's legacy like its only a part of Shaq's legacy for example. Honestly I see the same number of people saying "5 rings" as I do trying to completely disregard the 5 Titles.

My problem is those who like to take as much credit away from Bryant when the lakers Win(2008-2010 for example) then if the lakers lose or fall short of goals then give him ALL the blame (like this year for example). For some reason, the "basketball is a team game" people are nowhere to be found then