You inadvertently bring up another example. Magic and Bird had the good fortune of being drafted onto stacked teams. But both of the c*nts took issue with Lebron forming his own stacked team. The 1980's Lakers/Celts had more overall talent than the current Heat.
The problem is you Kobestans like comparing Kobe to other players based on TEAM success and you try to argue that quality of teammates is irrelevant to the discussion.
Any of you Kobestans who use the rings argument and don't think Wade was a better player than Kobe in 2006...![]()


Kobe never won without a dominant big tho, that is true and the same for 99% of the guards out there.
Only few exceptions to that rule in NBA History

Shaq was dominant. Hakeem was dominant. Wilt was dominant. Barkley was dominant. Tim Duncan is dominant.
Pau Gasol was a very good player.
Team success is only a part of Kobe's legacy like its only a part of Shaq's legacy for example. Honestly I see the same number of people saying "5 rings" as I do trying to completely disregard the 5 Titles.
My problem is those who like to take as much credit away from Bryant when the lakers Win(2008-2010 for example) then if the lakers lose or fall short of goals then give him ALL the blame (like this year for example). For some reason, the "basketball is a team game" people are nowhere to be found then
The same nikkas giving Kobe ALL the credit for 08-10 are the same nikkas blaming everybody but Kobe in the years immediately before and after. All I ask for is consistency. If you wanna give Kobe all the credit for 5 rings and totally ignore circumstances that contributed to them that's cool as long as you ignore circumstances when his squad cops L's to give him blame as well. Anything else and you are being inconsistent. You can't attack inconsistency when you are being inconsistent yourself.he should have been considered dominant considering how weak the bigs were in the NBA when they went back to back.
Shaq was dominant. Hakeem was dominant. Wilt was dominant. Barkley was dominant. Tim Duncan is dominant.
Pau Gasol was a very good player.
Kobe never won without a dominant big tho, that is true and the same for 99% of the guards out there.
Only few exceptions to that rule in NBA History

consistency. Let's see if you have it. Kobe won titles on stacked teams. Shaq won titles on stacked teams. Do you agree?The problem is people draw their conclusion first, usually based of emotion or limited knowledge/understanding, and then use what ever metric they can find to support it rather than being thorough and basing their conclusion off of what has actually happened. Very often they are forced to change course when circumstances change.
Yeah they are. They are the same nikkas who wanted to talk about rings when Kobe was winning them.The same nikkas giving Kobe ALL the credit for 08-10 are the same nikkas blaming everybody but Kobe in the years immediately before and after. All I ask for is consistency. If you wanna give Kobe all the credit for 5 rings and totally ignore circumstances that contributed to them that's cool as long as you ignore circumstances when his squad cops L's to give him blame as well. Anything else and you are being inconsistent. You can't attack inconsistency when you are being inconsistent yourself.
he should have been considered dominant considering how weak the bigs were in the NBA when they went back to back.

You guys don't know basketball. LOL @ comparing Pau now to how he was playing in 2008-2009...NOBODY is calling him dominant today.So you expect the Lakers to win the title this year right? Its Paus team now and there is no "chucker" to "kill team chemistry". So that's your pick right? Because Pau is so dominant.![]()

he should have been considered dominant considering how weak the bigs were in the NBA when they went back to back.
I don't agree that you have to be feared to be considered dominant.To be dominate you need to dominate you need people to fear you. Nobody has ever feared playig Pau Gasol. Marc Gasol is more dominate than Pau