Its time to end the debate once and for all

[Northern Son]

Bret "The HitGOAT" Hart.

 

[Art Barr]

Bret wishes he was this electrifying

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nikka,..it is just a savant kick.

you act like it was this great finisher when the lack of convincability of the move.
was exposed years before and another reason why hbk was never a draw consistently in different eras like bret.
you gush'n over a savant kick, breh...
get real...........



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

people front on bret,...
this troll heel shyt, was hilarious from bret in wcw.
also,....
nobody was better than bret with the reoccurring knee/hamstring/ankle bit.
duke, was so good at it.
when he did really get hurt inring.
I did not know what to think.
I also,..think people forgoet that bret's character was cerebrally smarter than hbk's too.
hbk,..does not have a classic heel I out thought you head pointing taunt moment.
on par, with:
bret uses a steel plate to ko a spearing Goldberg.

where is hbk's heel move as ruthless as the ringpost figure four, too.
yeah,...flair can say whatever.
yet, the ringpost figure four was bret's.



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Even if Bret Hart's career hadn't been ended early, i don't think he could have had the matches/run/performances that HBK has in the last 10 years or so. With that said, I'll always respect what they did in that first Ironman match

to this day,...hbk does not have a classic in his resume.
that matches up to just benoit/bret tribute to owen.
which was built off of workrate.
the same workrate, not texas redneck style....
that scsa amalgamated into the attitude era mainevent style from working with bret.
into the brawling/workrate style that was morphed by cripple ache into the smashmouth wwe maineventstyle.
the same smashmouth wwe mainevent style, that hbk has used to generate classics, since his return.
also,...hbk, showing off his technical side, in the iron man match.
was to play up the technical mastery of bret as a work.
so, even hbk using his technical prowess consistently.
in the one mat based workrate classic he is credited for.
was from the resulting cause of just being inring with bret.


art barr

 

[Mic-Nificent]

The answer is HBK.....

Shawn was a more versatile performer in every sense and frankly has a better catalog of matches.

With that said people kind of underrate Bret as an all around performer. He was a better talker than anyone ever gave him credit for and he had a real connection with fans.

 

[malbaker86]

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shawn was not as versatile.
nor was he as believeable as bret when it came to being a heel or tag guy.
bret before macho was the number one actual heel as a tag guy.
hbk, was never a tag great on bret's level.

on top of being a wack rock n roll express ripoff.
when, he was not able to ever trump ricky Morton, inring.
when, hbk had a higher potential workrate, than morton

to this day,..i still don't rate any hbk anything up there with old bulldogs/hart foundation.
or old rnr express vs midnights of any incarnation.

if hbk, was so good..
tag matches would exist and an actual long term inring rivalry would exist that rivals bulldogs/hart foundation, or rnr express/me.
hbk, has no tag matches or fueds on that level.
on top of never really being a worker in bret's circumference.
to the point,..
hbk's original claim to fame, the ladder match.
was from bret introducing the match to the wwf.
hbk really did not elevate it anywhere near the stampede workers.
that bret was damn near better than all them of excluding bullington.

hbk was never a heel on bret's level.
to the point, by the time bret was a singles guy.
bret had scared all the kids half shytless.
as real talk...bret was the only real villain in wwf before savage came.
on top of being the first small guy that was so damn viscious.
you feared him getting inring after neidhart.
when neidhart had the look of an enforcer.
yet, bret was the scariest motherfukker on the team, and the whole roster....

the entire roster of wwf heels were not believeable in any capacity outside of bret, till savage debuted.

on top of hbk not being anywhere near a storyteller inring.
or having any other psychology other than west texas redneck.

bret was also,..
way more believeable on the mic.

to the point,..i vividly remember bret's threat verbatim.
I don't have any hbk moments promo wise..where I remember them verbatim.


hbk is for guys who never saw the nwa.
as real talk,..if you watched nwa..
you would have never been enamored with hbk.
as you saw hordes of workers better than him in every facet.
people talk about hbk,...
just for starters, could have never seen:

liger/pillman
eddie gilbert
art barr
rnr/me : any incarnation of the teams and feuds. hbk had to be opposite Austin a tag guy to draw, for real in the me. when, real talk.....
every week nwa went off, with rnr versus midnights, as the main event, with no question.

before bret was a singles champion he conquered.

hbk, had to wait till there was no real significant talent.
plus, after years of awful convincability quality wise.
he was able to step in when wwf was a non-draw.
when wwe, had a boom and had to put on comparable talent.
hbk, was nowhere near a draw, or talent on the likes of bret.

hbk was given the ability to draw.
bret smashed the territory system, as the next top draw after hogun with bulldogs/harts feud.
hbk, was never that level of talent, like bret.

he never was on bret's level like that...





art barr


BRET : last week,...
I beat chu within an INCH of your life.
this week,..
I take it a INCH further.



still the coldest threat I ever fukk'n heard in my life.
hbk,..does not have that moment....

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

nikka,..it is just a savant kick.

you act like it was this great finisher when the lack of convincability of the move.
was exposed years before and another reason why hbk was never a draw consistently in different eras like bret.
you gush'n over a savant kick, breh...
get real...........



art barr

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

I like how all the HitGOAT fans are laying down facts and adding to the discussion while the Hickenbottom fans are just posting GIFs.

That should pretty much sum this thread up

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

to this day,...hbk does not have a classic in his resume.
that matches up to just benoit/bret tribute to owen.
which was built off of workrate.
the same workrate, not texas redneck style....
that scsa amalgamated into the attitude era mainevent style from working with bret.
into the brawling/workrate style that was morphed by cripple ache into the smashmouth wwe maineventstyle.
the same smashmouth wwe mainevent style, that hbk has used to generate classics, since his return.
also,...hbk, showing off his technical side, in the iron man match.
was to play up the technical mastery of bret as a work.
so, even hbk using his technical prowess consistently.
in the one mat based workrate classic he is credited for.
was from the resulting cause of just being inring with bret.


art barr

Come on breh.

HBGoat vs Jeff fukking Jarrett >>>>>>> that match.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

I like how all the HitGOAT fans are laying down facts and adding to the discussion while the Hickenbottom fans are just posting GIFs.

That should pretty much sum this thread up

Why mark for words when we can SEE the greatness

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

Why mark for words when we can SEE the greatness

It's funny to me because it sums up both of those dudes perfectly. Bret was technical, and Hickenbottom was flashy.

 

[Art Barr]

Come on breh.

HBGoat vs Jeff fukking Jarrett >>>>>>> that match.

You just hurting yourself with this troll comment.
As, the only way for you to prove this bullshyt, Chu posted.
is to write two rants on both matches.
Since, you think jj/hbk is seeing benoit/bret.
Especially since jj only uses his supposed higher quality workrate on ppv.
Whereas Bret, and Benoit always could and did put on high quality regardless of the venue.

You not on putting up or shutting up.
So, don't troll me.
Unless you really bout that smart life.
You not gon rant shyt,...
Chu, not bout that life!!


Art Barr

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

You just hurting yourself with this troll comment.
As, the only way for you to prove this bullshyt, Chu posted.
is to write two rants on both matches.
Since, you think jj/hbk is seeing benoit/bret.
Especially since jj only uses his supposed higher quality workrate on ppv.
Whereas Bret, and Benoit always could and did put on high quality regardless of the venue.

You not on putting up or shutting up.
So, don't troll me.
Unless you really bout that smart life.
You not gon rant shyt,...
Chu, not bout that life!!


Art Barr

Implying that Bret vs Benoit is better than any HBK match is arguably trolling, breh. Either that or you're just hating.

And I don't think Jeff Jarrett is particularly good. That only emphasizes the greatness of HBGOAT

http://www.wwe.com/videos/in-your-house-shawn-michaels-vs-jeff-jarrett-7231995-25058843

Remind yourself

 

[Art Barr]

The answer is HBK.....

Shawn was a more versatile performer in every sense and frankly has a better catalog of matches.

With that said people kind of underrate Bret as an all around performer. He was a better talker than anyone ever gave him credit for and he had a real connection with fans.

hbk, does not have a better catalog than Bret.
Bret had more classics before.
Plus, more classics.
After hickenbottom was in a territory, and the wwf.
You are forgetting,...
Bret was in stampede, breh.
Whereas every stampede worker was better than hbk before hbk's singles rampup run in the wwf.
stampede workers in bulk.
where bret was on the card.
were better than hbk is in every possible way.
That is a fact,....

Only hbk match of note, before wwf.
Is hbk tag'n against the pretty boy and his partner.
Which is a awa rnr express/me ripoff feud.
That is nowhere near any of Bret's stampede work.
Let, alone the show/card stealing bulldogs/harts stuff.
That is just for starters.

Even bret, not wanting to job when he got injured .
Cripple ache pulled a similar move in the injured classic, two man power trip vs benoit/y2j.
By laying on the floor.
So, even cripple ache mirrored bret in his most helpful dire moment of need.
cripple ache never mirrored the lose my smile shyt on tv.
Was more respectable than hbk's lose my smile.

I see you hbk nikkaz, are not even mentioning that.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Implying that Bret vs Benoit is better than any HBK match is arguably trolling, breh. Either that or you're just hating.

And I don't think Jeff Jarrett is particularly good. That only emphasizes the greatness of HBGOAT

http://www.wwe.com/videos/in-your-house-shawn-michaels-vs-jeff-jarrett-7231995-25058843

Remind yourself

I noticed you just posting links.
Yet, no rant to prove why hbk was better.
Bret was a better:

Brawler
Inring general
Look : Brett just was not patterned after a Chippendale performer.
Yet, Bret created swagged out in the wwf model.
Technician
mic worker
called better higher quality matches inring than hbk.
That is a fact.
Hbk has only one style.
which is west Texas redneck, where there is no actual psychology.
Just the guy with the look, makes a comeback, as a bf.
Or, typically he takes a chickenshyt heel you deserve this bumpfest ass whoopin'.

Hbk could never and never supplied any different type of matches templates and styles as Bret.
Nor, did he have numerous feuds.
Where the content was different than the west Texas template.
Any time hbk showed diversity.
Or actual convincability in brawling, matt technical work, was with Bret.
He never had any other match template outside of Bret.
Whereas Bret had hordes of matches and could and did orchestrate numerous complicated works.
That hbk never was able to do, consistently in his career.
Only time hbk added anything new,...
Was when bret was involved.
Bret, alternatively fleshed out the wwf match inring continuity.
plus had to use scsa amalgamted main event style in his comeback.
The same me style, Bret and scsa perfected.
That created the attention, to create the second boom.

Hbk was just there.
He was not supplying the fed with a braintrust like flair's protege inring with Bret.
Not to mention,...
Hbk could have used the template or created a global style for the wwe.
By being in the clique.
As hbk was in the clique with flair's other protege razor Ramon.
Plus, the match that gave hbk note was from a stampede/flair protege braintrust.

Hbk, if he was that good.
Would have created the me style.
That lead to the boom.
As, he was inring and exposed to all the principles that elevated the wwf, back to prominence.

Hbk was just there.
He never did none of the stuff, for the actual legacy inring of the company.
To aid it the way bret did.
Bret is the one who grafted workrate onto the wwf product.
Before bret in singles.
Wwf was never known for workrate in the rocknroll wrasslin era.
It was known as a spectacle, in the hogun day.
Before macho, bret is the guy who you keyed in on,...
On offense as a heel, as that guy inring for the wwf.
Hbk was never that prolific with powers that draw greater than him.
Bret, is what allowed flair to come to the wwf.
To operate as a believeable heel on offense.
Bret setup the idea of workrate to the casual fan, for the two most important booms in wrasslin history.
the attitude era and the rock'n roll wrasslin era.
Bret being over the top sadistic.
Trained you to fear macho, as the next best heel
Hbk, can not say that at all.


Art Barr

.
Plus the most coveted inring item from a worker all time, period.
The cord and eyeglass arm foil metallic shades.
That to this day,...
Is still the most coveted item you could have acquired from any show around the world in wrasslin, history.