"I've Given Up On Believing Black People Can Fix Their Problems" Dr. Claud Anderson

[JahFocus CS]

Gotta pay the iron price for that otherwise its just wishful thinking

 

[GunRanger]

paraphrasing - 'social integration was never the problem. We were always socially integrated. They had slaves in their house, they had slaves as entertainers, as nurses ... economic integration was always the problem'


when he put it like that

 

[NoChillJones]

When black nationalist understand that there is no such thing aa group economics in the instance of like minded people from the same race comimg together for the betterment of the race...and the results of mass business are just coincidental occurances of self motivated people out for self upliftment...we may can move forward. People keep thinking our whole race needs to move forwaed...so regardless of individual success our race is costantly bombarded with accusations of failure.

My brother is my brother...the next nikka is the next nikka. Period...we are connected by skin color thats it.

 

[havoc]

What isn't true? None of what I typed was conjecture

There were various "black wall streets" throughout the US. The one in Tulsa is the most well known, but there were major black centers of commerce throughout the country. Durham and Wilmington, NC. Overtown in Miami. Central Ave in LA. Rosewood. To name a few.

So, tell me what I'm lying about

Peace

No, you are not lying. However, the residents of those communities with an economic base were the minorities of the black population in the Jim Crow era. We had a thread that touched on the reality of segregation.

 

[ridedolo]

No, you are not lying. However, the residents of those communities with an economic base were the minorities of the black population in the Jim Crow era. We had a thread that touched on the reality of segregation.

i think the point is that amazingly, blacks were able to mobilize and build shortly after being enslaved for hundreds of years. surely you dont expect ALL black people to have been completely healed from the system of white supremacy while many at that time were born slaves. Those communities were building an economic base for blacks in america, which is why they had to completely destroy them. and again, that was done during segregation, shortly after slavery.

all chinese people arent wealthy, but there's no denying that the chinese as a community have a solid economic foundation.

 

[mcdivit85]

No, you are not lying. However, the residents of those communities with an economic base were the minorities of the black population in the Jim Crow era. We had a thread that touched on the reality of segregation.

Yes, of course. I never said any different. I'm saying that we had examples of black self-sufficiency during Jim Crow era. And that in comparison, blacks were more self-sufficient then than now.

I'm not trying to glamorize that era, but let's put it in proper context. Blacks had some stuff going...it wasn't all drudgery and pain.

Peace

 

[MrRDU]

paraphrasing - 'social integration was never the problem. We were always socially integrated. They had slaves in their house, they had slaves as entertainers, as nurses ... economic integration was always the problem'


when he put it like that

That's really all that needs to be said

 

[mcdivit85]

There is no conflating or misdirection on my end.... Yall nikkas just over romanticize yesteryear....... and you ask what are we to do now to have commerce?

nikkas can't even get along...... that's the first thing that needs to be addressed........ along with the emotional and psych issues that have resulted from Slavery, Jim Crow, and domestic terrorism in general...... that's first and foremost...

Why do you keep referring to "yall"? Who's "yall"?

No one is romanticizing anything....I'm saying that there were examples of black self-sufficiency then that we don't have now.

And I could say the same for blacks who want to romanticize post-segregation as if it somehow has been exceptionally better for blacks in real terms of wealth and political protection. It has not. As Dr. Claud Anderson notes again and again, black wealth as a collective is the same in the 21st century as it was on the eve of the Civil War. Instead of blacks getting lynched by random mobs for all to see, they're being killed by cops for all to see.

Generally, blacks who are so quick to shoot this stuff down, are simply happy to have the illusion of being able to date, marry and live next to white folks. I'm not one of them.

Peace

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

And I could say the same for blacks who want to romanticize post-segregation as if it somehow has been exceptionally better for blacks in real terms of wealth and political protection. It has not

Generally, blacks who are so quick to shoot this stuff down, are simply happy to have the illusion of being able to date, marry and live next to white folks. I'm not one of them.

Peace

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Damn if he has given up this shyts looking real ugly

Im listening to it right now ....the only issue i see with his reasoning is he keeps using the word "wealth redistribution" rather than "wealth creation"...theyre not the same thing...you cant redistribute your way to wealth...if anything the last 60 years of entitlements and handouts have proved that beyond any doubt.

Give an ignorant muffuka 100 acres of land and he will just end up losing it...he wont farm or develop it into anything useful and eventually lose it in a short sale or tax repossession ..you need skills,knowledge first only then can capital help.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

listened this morning on my commute.

i totally understand Dr andersons frustration. the majority of blacks in america are finished, simple as that. the sad part is that it's willful for the most part. There are things that can be done to offset or neutralize the system of racism white supremacy, but blacks refuse to unite and act as a collective.
blacks cant even not have sex with whites how can you expect things to change?

america feeds off of the low self esteem of black people, which drives this capitalistic society.

i'm in a group chat with 2 friends. we talk about bullshyt etc etc, but during that push of black banks i tried to engage them in convo about it and dead ass was met with silence or passive comments.

this weekend they were going mad hard about the retro 1's that came out. yesterday my boy said he got 2 pairs, n my homegirl said she got her pair. plus they were going to the kanye concert. before any of you even come at me saying I'm hating i make more than both of them and passed on the j's and yeezy concert . the point is that most blacks are content with how things are. they expect everyone else to change racism, but won't do anything on their own. i literally could not convince them to even move SOME money to a black owned bank, yet they exercise such diligence and fortitude for sneakers and concerts...both from people who dont give one fukk about the black community and actively work against us. i said to them idk how ya'll financially support this clown kanye and my friend said u have to separate the art from the artist

with that said it will take a strong but small group of forward thinking, non bending black folks who cant be bought out to change things...and it's going to happen. the earth will restore balance and their weapons or technology can't save them.

Sounds like you've surrounded yourself with c00ns breh

I cut my circle down to about 3 people, including my girl

 

[BrandonBanks]

Sounds like you've surrounded yourself with c00ns breh

I cut my circle down to about 3 people, including my girl

I'm not surprised that they reacted that way to him bringing this up. I'm guessing breh is in his 20s or 30s. I'm in my mid 20s and if i were to bring up Dr. Anderson or black economics a lot of dudes probably wouldn't even know who i'm talking about but these ppl know certain black entertainers/rappers/athletes and many love to gossip about shyt like who's the best player on the team, who somebody's dating, what club/concert they're going to be at, reminisice about shyt that doesn't even matter in life, etc ol "back in the day" ass nikkas.


Thing is, there's nothing wrong with liking this stuff that some of us like, but when these very trivial things are discussed more than economics, ownership, etc then We are the most disenfranchised group, we should be just as ,if not more, interested in group economics as others we see coming into our neighborhoods are. But see a lot of black ppl don't see ourselves as being apart of a group, we see ourselves as being black individuals, and that's just not effective for the collective.

Also, when i go to the barbershop, what's mostly discussed is trivial shyt. These are men of all ages. It's not just the one i go to either, i've lived in a lot of diff places (i'm former military) and it was pretty much the same. And some of these bros who frequent these places have good careers, educated, etc it's just they don't seem to get the reality of the situation black ppl are in. It's like they think that since they're employed that everything's ok (except for "occasional" racism in the workplace or other instances). They don't seem to get that it's going to take more than just having a job to fix this situation we're in. The paradigm needs to shift.

Dudes spend hours (maybe not consecutively in a row, but as a total) discussing Cam Newton/NFL, rappers, shoes, video games/electronics, car accessories etc and other trivial matters but do not even want to spend 1 second discussing business ideas/plans together, group economics, investments etc. That's not 'fun' enough

Always thinking like consumers and never like owners (or potential owners).

Like I said there's nothing wrong with liking or talking about those things but there's something wrong when that's about as serious as we get as a collective. Some ppl claim it's just the "hood" black ppl and it's not, i'ved worked with professional white collar black men and many of them aren't thinking about building or doing business with other blacks either, just working their job and spending their check on toys and bullshyt.

 

[BrandonBanks]

nikkas want white mommy and daddy to swoop in and save them but thats never happening

Exactly. This is what so many don't understand. White ppl are never going to willingly "end" or get rid of white supremacy. Why would they want to? They and their descendants benefit from it.

But when a nikka states the truth, nikkas get mad. White ppl will never "change", if anything, history has shown this repeatedly, i don't know why ppl don't get this.

The only ones who will fix anything will have to be ourselves, but a lot of ppl don't want to even attempt to do that, they rather just waste money/time/conversations on trivial shyt, and not work together/pool resources together to build.

We're the only ones not practicing group economics on a sizeable/decent scale.

 

[BrandonBanks]

The average black person thinks they are within arms reach of the average white person just because they work in the same office and live in the same neighborhood as some of them.

 

[Responsible Allen Iverson]

He was spitting fire