I've seen enough: Jokic is a top 6 center of all-time

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This time next year ya'll will probably be shytting on him for being a bum if the Nuggets get eliminated before the finals.

This is just the nature of the Coli hot take industrial complex. Jokic is up right now but the turn is never far away. Two years ago Giannis was getting praised as a generational defining athlete now he's a fraud with an asterisk title :mjlol:

Enjoy this praise while it lasts, Nikola.
 

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a lot of this legacy talk can reach the point like youre reviewing a movie that youre not even halfway finished watching. i really hope a reporter asks jokic or butler a question about their own legacy and they shut it down.
 

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I can’t put Jokic over Robinson and Malone all time yet. But I’d say his prime has been better than theirs so far.
 

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Jokic is great, but he needs to finish the job...If Denver doesn't win the championship it'll be a huge disappointment.
 

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Joker is well on his way to being an all time great if he isn't there already. But it's a little too early to be putting him over some of these all time greats right now. In time he very well may get there but I'm just glad that MOST don't have him over Moses who is always disrespected in these type of discussions.
 

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I didn't get to see Moses play, but I didn't bold him as he's at least a three time MVP. I was being as generous as possible.

But, Embiid and Robinson?!


Moses dominated his era with his strength and motor. Shaq would have dominated it even moreso. Moses's greatest offensive move was pretty much to throw the ball at the basket whenever he got stuck and then grab the rebound and score. And considering his strength and workmanlike game, he was surprisingly mediocre defensively (think of a more explosive Zach Randolph in terms of flavor, if not necessarily style).
 

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One thing I gotta say. I think Moses Malone was underrated by NBA heads (in general not just on the coli). Dude was a monster in the paint back in the day. It looked like had suction cup hands.
 
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Way too early to put my beautiful polar bear ballerina on any all time lists. Ranking him over players with multiple titles and/or multiple MVPs and in some cases both... lunacy.

Embiid over Shaq got me over here about to piss though HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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Moses dominated his era with his strength and motor. Shaq would have dominated it even moreso. Moses's greatest offensive move was pretty much to throw the ball at the basket whenever he got stuck and then grab the rebound and score. And considering his strength and workmanlike game, he was surprisingly mediocre defensively (think of a more explosive Zach Randolph in terms of flavor, if not necessarily style).
This is selling Moses short...

People don't discredit other All-Timers from that era who had fairly basic games as well. Dr J didn't have this versatile, sublime game at all but we hear his name far more often than Moses---->the guy who got him his title...

Kareem's offense wasn't that varied, either...

Moses deserves just as much credit for being able to dominate with such a (perceived) simple game, as he gets discredited for. He was a transcendent rebounder, this isn't mentioned enough. He was an underrated passer, seemed to have a Jokic-esque ability of keeping the ball alive off the rim. And he was a major factor both in the postseason, and when the opposition was another All-Star (or higher) caliber center...

He's comfortably one of the 20 greatest players ever, yet his name is rarely mentioned. And when it is, it always comes with a backhand compliment or qualifier about how mediocre he was defensively or some lumbering brute offensive player...

Mo's prime overlapped with the primes of Gervin, Kareem, Dr J, Bird, Magic, Chief, Moncrief, King, Zeke, McHale, some of the biggest names in the history of the sport, and he was dominating MVP contention....with these names all in their primes...

Obviously i never saw him play a minute, and i recall you mentioning that your basketball life goes back to the mid-80s, so you only saw the last couple years of Prime Mo and almost certainly missed his peak, correct? But as a historian of the sport, you gotta see sething off with the coverage Moses gets today, in comparison to a number of guys who were not as accomplished as he was within their own time...
 

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I don't see what's the big deal. His merit speaks for itself

Moses is arguable but Jokic is on pace to pass him
 

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Way too early to put my beautiful polar bear ballerina on any all time lists. Ranking him over players with multiple titles and/or multiple MVPs and in some cases both... lunacy.

Embiid over Shaq got me over here about to piss though HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lmaooo
 
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