capitalism is antithetical to democracy, and worker coops is what i would recommend. but bottom line this is unsustainable and it always has been, the collapse just keeps getting pushed into the future but its coming, its inevitable.
I've slowly come around to believing in "maximum wealth"
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everything can be attributed to capitalism you didnt know? oh other than the planet being on the verge of being unlivable and 80 percent of the world being in poverty. that its not responsible forI was just mentioning it as a brief example, go read Oil! by Upton Sinclair, if you want an in-depth investigation into the evils of early American capitalism.
Also, you’re trying to be a pretentious prick, but it’s hard to buy your schtick when you say dumb shyt like “waist of time”
Again, you’re just attributing these things to capitalism because capitalism was concurrent with those events. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
You have to be completely historically ignorant to try and attribute the products of social welfare programs to capitalism. That’s some high level bullshyt.
“Thanks to capitalists, we have things like general education and healthcare” is so historically backwards. Yeah florence nightingale was a regular ol’ lasseiz faire objectivist.
GPBear
The Tape Crusader
Let’s design an economic system based around a small privileged class exploiting the majority of the laborers for capital, that they then hoard for no explicit purpose. How could it ever go wrong!?
I was just mentioning it as a brief example, go read Oil! by Upton Sinclair, if you want an in-depth investigation into the evils of early American capitalism.
Also, you’re trying to be a pretentious prick, but it’s hard to buy your schtick when you say dumb shyt like “waist of time”
Again, you’re just attributing these things to capitalism because capitalism was concurrent with those events. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
You have to be completely historically ignorant to try and attribute the products of social welfare programs to capitalism. That’s some high level bullshyt.
“Thanks to capitalists, we have things like general education and healthcare
It's not backwards, no matter how many smilies you throw in or typos you harp on. Progressive Liberalism is still capitalist, and is responsible for the things you mentioned.
If I'm wrong, please, tell me what is responsible for public education and utilitarian applications of science in fields such as health care?
Would worker coops still be operating on capitalist principles? Regardless if its one person, a board, or the entirety of a business, wouldn't their goal still be to maximize profit?
Hyperbole.
Democracy is the basic for every economic system to work well wether it be capitalism or communism. I think you absolutely right that people will vote for whats best for them. And that's the point if democracy isn't working than people can't get what best for them. If democracy isn't working you get a capitalism that only benefits the small elite. Capitalism isn't capitalism in all cases, the rules and regulations in a country can make capitalism look very different in a lot of countries.
I would prefer a capitalism with more rules. If democracy is working and lot of people think as I do than that is a realistic scenario but if democracy isn't working we wouldn't have the chance too add rules to capitalism. That why I think you should always fix democracy first before you try to fix a economy in a third world country.
I hear ya. I guess I just personally have a hard to imagining people voluntarily giving up their rights to property for the good of the whole. Maybe thats just my cynicism.
that's what every system on earth is
the fact is that you can't point to anything resembling a competing country without those traits. and the ones who dont, who successfully implement socialism? they dont have to deal with illegal immigration. at allpick your poison :jaymad:
stop being realistic
this isn't about that
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Ppl keep talking about what’s natural
Naturally...rich nikkas should be getting robbed when the regular joe can’t eat because he ain’t getting paid shyt
Naturally...rich nikkas should be getting robbed when the regular joe can’t eat because he ain’t getting paid shyt
I remember a worker coop system in ex-Yugoslavia.
The country had a lot of problems based on religious and ethnic tensions, but the economic system had a lot of advantages and enabled a good growth (+6% the decade before Tito's death which led to ethic tensions).
There was an interesting effect of democracy at work: general managers typically had 5 year investment plans instead of only short term planning, and workers were generally more involved instead of only doing their shift.
If one had to make a choice between democracy at work and at the government level, for the personal well-being I'd even argue that in everyday life it is more important to be able to curse at your boss and tell your general manager at regular meetings why some changes might be bad for the company than to be able to curse at your president which is rather useless...
(Disclaimer: This is not to absolve the dictatorship from human rights abuses, just to say that the economic system had positive aspects)
There should be maximum wealth, across the board.
Imagine believing property rights and voluntary exchange are antithetical to democracy.
