J. Cole - ''Born Sinner''-2013

[Eastside Get The Money]

I actually prefer the tracks on the 2 Truly Yours EP's to this album.

He's releasing TY3 with the album too

 

[blackslash]

You can make the same arguement for Take Care :c00nj:

Besides

Villuminati
Mo Money
Runaway
Rich nikkaz
Forbidden Fruit
Let Nas Down
n
Born Sinner are all heat.


Truth be told Take Care was exactly as standard as this release is. Its jus that Drake is well.....Drake


Think im wrong, show me the songs on Take Care that are CLEARLY better than the songs I listed

nikka

Rom u are my nikka...what happened to u breh

U losing it homey


Take Care shyts on this album

Matta fact this album feels more like a damn mixtape

None of the songs on this album have me sayign
"Ima be listening to this sht for months"

Rom...wake up Rom...Wake UP

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

the gifted will be better than this

double M genius

 

[JasonSJackson]

nikka really got a song called "let nas down" lol...wtf

 

[gluvnast]

can't wait for the mastered version, but this hits the whip HARD...

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

*Notices no songs to play in the car*

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

It boggles me to this day that Work Out ended up being a hit...I remember almost NOONE liked that shyt when it first dropped....and it sounded mad forced..shyt literally took months to blow up outta nowhere....J Cole even seems surprised that it blew and doesn't seem like he really likes it himself...

I never understood the hate for Work Out, it just seemed like an obvious radio single. shyt, the nikka even used a vocoder, not autotune, a vocoder

He could have made a
"say the same thing twice/
say the same thing twice/
say the same thing twice/
say the same thing twice (TURN UP)"

type single but he chose another route. To me it was like he was trying to make a 90s single but it just didn't work out

 

[KritNC]

Best songs to me so far are forbidden fruit and rich nikkaz.
That flow beat combo on rich nikkaz is

Sounds more like his mix tapes not that it's a knock against this tape just that he don't have that one stand out track on here.


Edit: feeling that's she knows track too

 

[gluvnast]

SHE KNOWS, SHE KNOWS, I KNOW SHE KNOWS!!

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Let Nas Down ain't touching Girls Love Beyonce when it comes to corny titles lets be real

 

[No1]

Let Nas Down ain't touching Girls Love Beyonce when it comes to corny titles lets be real

You right.

 

[Plexxx]

this is aight. better than take care

 

[Hyman Roth]

I was prepared to hate on the production but he's definitely improved. After two listens it's a very good album.

 

[Sugar]

What a way to start the morning

Breakfast :feast: :feast: :feast: :feast:

 

[spliz]

He didn't. He NEVER would've made the song if Roc Nation hadn't put the proverbial gun to his head...


What people have to understand about the entire situation is that artists and their music are CONSTANTLY evolving in a continued cycle of the culture. Of the newer generation of MC's to emerge within the last 4 years lets take a look at the artists who have "blown up". J.Cole, Drake, Big Sean, and Kendrick Lamar (I'm leaving Jay Electronica out of the discussion as he has yet to release a proper debut album)

what do all four of these artists have in common? Their musical identities were firmly established BEFORE they released major label debut albums through their mixtapes. Cole's musical path was forged through The Warm Up, Drake's through So Far Gone, Sean's through Finally Famous, and Kendrick's through Section 80. They gained fans and attention through these efforts, with full creative responsibility falling on their shoulders.
All four attained success through their Major Label debut albums, however, of the four, only ONE artist attained unanimous critical acclaim. Which artist would this be? Kendrick Lamar, whose label allowed him the same creative freedom that had been previously allowed him.

Drake on Thank Me Later

“Thank Me Later was a rushed album, I didn’t get to take the time that I wanted to on that record, I rushed a lot of the songs and sonically, I didn’t get to sit with the record, it was like once it was done, it was like its done,”

Drake Focuses On ‘Take Care’; Says ‘Thank Me Later’ Was Rushed « V-103 – The People's Station


J.Cole on Work Out

“That's how you get a song like ‘Work Out,’” J. Cole told Karmaloop TV. “I went to radio stations and seen how radio stations work...I went and learned all these things. That’s how I made a record like ‘Work Out,’ I went, ‘Okay, I can play that game. I’ll give you a song full of hooks,’ the catchy shyt that I knew would work on radio. That’s me playing the game.”

Born Sinner: Predictions On J. Cole's Sophomore Album | Discussing Lil' Wayne, Drake & Many More Hip Hop Artists | HipHop DX

Big Sean on building his fanbase with no label support


"I realized that I had to give them incentive to mess with me as an artist, to get fully behind me. I didn’t have a strong buzz so why would they wanna put out my album over a Young Jeezy or Kanye or Rihanna? But then I realized that any song that I put out was posted on the Internet. I realized, “I could build my own following doing this. Man, fukk a label. I’m just gonna do me.”

Interview: Big Sean Talks Being Broke, Building His Buzz, & Crying To His Mom | Complex


Compare these quotes to Kendrick

“To have an album that I have total creative control over is one of the best feelings in the world. I probably wouldn’t have been able to make a dark album if I didn’t have creative control. That’s why once [some people] get into a situation, they change their style. But I have creative control."


THAT'S what the labels aren't getting and what they fail to understand. In days previous, Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, and Wu-Tang all made their marks with their debut albums. Their artistic identities were firmly established with the Illmatics, Reasonable Doubts, and 36 Chambers, allowing them to gain fans based upon their natural talents. These newer generation MC's are NOT being the chance to evolve naturally and progressively from their already established identities. The labels are crippling them by forcing them to come up with generic, watered down "hits" which do nothing but stagger the artist's growth. The labels need to understand that J.Cole, Drake, and Big Sean have already EARNED their fan's loyalty by releasing mixtapes and touring. The debut album should be a statement of artistic integrity rather than a manufactured introduction through a bullshyt single aimed at the top 40.

#TPC

fukkin well stated man....