Ye was already a star by Dilla's passing.
J Dilla's brother Illa J doesn't think Kanye would be as big as he is now if Dilla hadn't passed
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Art Barr
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This is half correct and half here nor there.
Dilla already was more entrenched culturally in Detroit actual hiphop.
That dilla was already played.
by the commercial theft machine for credit. That allowed a guy like Kanye.
in the same time to sellout and go jiggy. Originally giving up all rights to his work.
So when dilla was being stolen from by jimmy jam and Terry Lewis for Janet Jackson. Then engrained himself culturally. After pharcyde also souled't out.
to make the precursor to drake with Brian Austin green.
Dilla dug his feet harder into culturally being reputable.
Whereas alternatively Kanye. Self admitted to wanting to sellout and go jiggy on WHPK.
Plus giving up all credit to be a disciple of jiggy.
Since a lot of you nikkaz are gateway consumers of jiggy. When you could sellout and not suffer culturally.
From jiggy being so large from grief from pac/big. Opening up the proverbial glass ceiling in the sale spike era. Plus somehow puff brand of jiggy on pe2000. Somehow had early kill puff backlash. Kanye got to filter out of that Administratively. When previously... jiggy sellout talent was forever dead as a draw culturally.
plus usually had no escape Administrative. So the mass exodus of jiggy gateway industry fans and workers. All rallied together to create several sellout sects built on race and capital. That allowed Kanye to go unchecked. To eventually arrive at the next jiggy boom.
in the sales spike era at rocafella. Which was given additional weight from racist at hiphopinfinity.com and fard. So when atmosphere and slug rebelled against that sect. It created this vacuum for any jiggy refugee.
to have built in sway with this fake underground hiphop head or toy community with no culture . Who were all jiggy gateway exodus toy fans. In that Kanye got to work with that contingent of artist on the fringe with the hiphopinfinity.com crowd. So when atmosphere got their distribution deal. From sales spike era artist literally biting atmosphere records and direction on a major. to now be any rype of artist. Ala the current island record fascination with any artist biting vybz cartel. Which extends from the entire industry looking.
to make another slug agenda.
[example; gangsta slug, emo slug, white slug, frat slug etc]
Dame dash got smart and said.
shyt...we got a black slug.
Right here.
Where Kanye had chicsgo culture based dem dare alum kalif. For image mixed with rocafella jiggy street sales spike era pop notoriety.
Cycle that into the hiphopinfinity.com pro c00n racist angle.
Mixed with a rhymefest religious song. Which Debuted immediately. After i freestyled at an atmosphere show at the metro.
Wala.. you got a new pop sensation.
Even if jayz internally hated it. or signed the other chicago sellout producers. Or other people viewed as culture thief style puff in biter dem dare gear.
You had the fox remnants of Rupert Murdock.
meets hiphopinfinity.com racist jiggy enabler fanbase. To sell to.
dilla never ever went to those lengths to sellout. Plus pushed back. Kanye was content with being a low talent no talent. Who self admittedly wanted to be taken advantage of. Till he could get his chance. To self admitted on WHPK TO BE PUFF. [complete cultural blasphemy]
Which only happened because dilla pushed back. Initially when hit with theft or credit being stolen from biting. Kanye self admitted to wanting to sellout and did. Till Kanye could basically become the new puff at mca. Who just so happened to be a biter level producer. That was influenced and bit the very people. In dem dare. who created all of the marketing of hiphop solely at Leo Burnett. That created.
the communications act to jiggy to sales spike era booms.
industrially in the rap business.
A kanye Who had self admitted.
to having no cultural integrity. In a time where jiggy meets prison industrial level c00n sellouts. Were completely enabled from the grief caused by the shattering of rhe glass ceiling in the death of pac/big. Plus the enabling of jiggy culture thieves. That went unchecked and still goes unchecked.
Like just now we are seeing after almost thirty years popular gen push back. Where culturally the originally push back to sellout jiggy c00ns. we're adamantly told to stfu. along with any other demonstrative word.
by a sellout enabling public.
Jiggy gateway culture theif c00ns enabled this. So now chickens are coming home to roost. People are now having mass exodus to what they enabled. Whereas no one in the real know is fooled. Just kept from being effective earlier from lack of resources.
Art Barr
I get wanting to shyt in that c00n at any chance you get but this is just stupid 
Kanye is a star from rapping (and fashion) and his main as being a producer for other who chops samples ended far before Dilla passed. Like would Dilla all of a sudden be making 808s and heartbreaks before Kanye?
Kanye is a star from rapping (and fashion) and his main as being a producer for other who chops samples ended far before Dilla passed. Like would Dilla all of a sudden be making 808s and heartbreaks before Kanye?
nothing dilla did suggested his trajectory would eclipse kanye. you can argue who was the better producer. there is no debating who the bigger star was.
yeโs success and what he became was not just about production. for example, his first bapesta collab dropped the year that dilla passed. we all know what happened there.
honestly, I took this as a man who misses his brother and wants to remind the world that talent-wise, dilla was as nice as anyone. that said, he is 1000% wrong about kanye.
KingsOfKings
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NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
One reason Dilla left SV was to branch out and do more solo shyt, and at the time of his death his star was steadily rising, and in regards to music heads his name was ironclad, more than Kanye's even, it didn't matter how many albums Ye had out. Dilla was still the man to see for production. Breh already had a solid catalog of bangers with his name on it, while Ye was still serving as a ghost producer trying to get on.
Look at Kanye's career right now, son fell off a while ago. Beats are garbage and he doesn't write his own shyt/hasn't done that in ages.
What Illa J said is not a stretch given the evidence presented on the table, he's speaking in terms of the long game.
Space Cowboy
Christ is King
Yes. Graduation was still being worked on and the dissolution of the old guard was still happening. Graduation vs Curtis had nothing to do with Dilla and it was still Kanye who would win and reset the culture. So yes it was inevitable.
nah bruh
none of what you're saying changes the fact that kanye was already bigger than dilla at the time of his passing. it's not a debate about the quality of kanye's music, production methods, personal preferences, etc. none of dilla's hypothetical success would have altered kanye's trajectory.
late registration (2005) went 5x platinum. his best-selling album -- basically one long arena record -- dropped in 2007. graduation, and the first air yeezy (2009), took kanye from being a star to arguably the most influential star on the planet. respectfully... wtf was dilla gonna do?
we need to ask 50 how this argument worked out for him?
Even keeping it strictly to production, Kanye was bigger than Dilla when Dilla was alive. Kanye was like the go to producer in 2004 from even the underground all the way to the biggest mainstream names. Breh had credits on everything from Dilated Peoples and Slum Village to Jadakiss and Twista to Brandy to Alicia Keys.
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
Understood, but J is talking about if Dilla had a chance to have his career play out without passing early, Kanye would have been surpassed/would have been nerfed at some point. Not a reach to me, especially since he ended up doing it to himself.. and Dilla was just as versatile with his production discography without being as "big" as Kanye. If only Dilla was alive to make this easy. There is no guarantee Kanye takes the same trajectory had Dilla lived.