"Ja Rule was Drake before Drake, he could still fall off" - Charlamagne

[Wacky D]

these kids keep talking that chit. they dont even realize that drake is in the same age group as most of us, and even older than some of the people that yall are calling . so what does that tell you? sounds live youve been bamboozled and these rappers are getting over on yall because you dont know any better.

but hey, dont mind me. if youre comfortable with being a dikkhead, then stay a dikkhead.

and drake isnt running the rap game. he runs the radio. thats it. thats not the same thing as running rap. the same way jarule was. word to @Prodigal Syndicate. i think it was him that said this earlier.

 

[mobbinfms]

That is not what the thread is about you dumbass

We are talking about relevance on a mainstream level.

Can't believe I got baited into arguing with some nut ass hiphop head

So you're taking the position that relevance has nothing to do with quality of music?

 

[Wacky D]

was watching an old video tape from '99.

yall want to know who drake wouldve been in the early '00s? LIL ZANE. i cant even say he would be as big as lil zane cuz nobody wouldve been trying to buy the chit that drake shovels.

but yea, the best possible comparison is lil zane. they have about the same skill level too.

 

[No1]

He's popular because he's good. You don't get to the level Kanye's at by being an average rapper, no matter how fly your music is. I don't know what you consider to be "good rapping" but if you wanna hear some outstanding verses, Run This Town, Family Business, Gorgeous, Dark Fantasy, Diamonds From Sierra Leone, Gone, just a couple to boot.

Kanye's delivery, charisma, and general presence are his strong suits, if you define technical aspects as simply flow and rhymes then I wouldn't expect Kanye to be up there for you. But an MC at its most core definition and qualification is someone who's mastered the performing craft, a person who's got the groove and the soul. There's boatloads of rappers who can rhyme and flow like Jay-Z and Nas on their best days, but someone with the right resonance and presence is one in a million. I just think of how people were saying Kanye killed Jay on WTT when Kanye didn't spit a lick of a distinguished "lyrical" verse.

The general consensus was that Kanye was carried by Jay lyrically on that album (from the very first verse on NCITW)...I don't know how you thought making that shyt up would help your argument. However, this here is the difference between "rapper" and "lyricist" and you hit it out of the part. I agree with everything you said aside.

As for this Drake argument, only @CrimsonTider and a few others are making sense. You internet nikkas say the most intellectually dishonest shyt and convince yourself that you're making sense. This is why I'm never bothered by being in the minority on here. It means that most rational people agree with me in real life. I mean, you guys are seriously sitting here running around acting like (a) Drake isn't popular among nearly every demographic of hip hop fan to an extent that Ja never was and (b) that somehow his run isn't longer and more dominant than Ja's and that (c) that the discussion about sales is about what type of music was popular back then as opposed to the consumer actually buying music. . It's so BS I can't take it serious.

 

[Wacky D]

I mean, you guys are seriously sitting here running around acting like (a) Drake isn't popular among nearly every demographic of hip hop fan to an extent that Ja never was and (b) that somehow his run isn't longer and more dominant than Ja's and that (c) that the discussion about sales is about what type of music was popular back then as opposed to the consumer actually buying music. . It's so BS I can't take it serious.

youre regurgitating a bunch of arguments that were shut down 10 pages ago.

and lol. what hip-hop bases does drake touch, that jarule didnt?

 

[How Sway?]

was watching an old video tape from '99.

yall want to know who drake wouldve been in the early '00s? LIL ZANE. i cant even say he would be as big as lil zane cuz nobody wouldve been trying to buy the chit that drake shovels.

but yea, the best possible comparison is lil zane. they have about the same skill level too.

oh hell no, you tweaking breh

Lil Zane's biggest hit was "Hardball" As far as I'm concerned.

Drake Is more like Nelly to me, even then IMO Nelly was bigger in 01-02 than Drake is right now at his peak....

 

[Rigby.]

That Ja is a pop tart sweetheart, he's soft in the middle.. he'll eat him for breakfast, the watch was exchanged for his necklace

I hope this aint really what he said
corny as hell

 

[Wacky D]

oh hell no, you tweaking breh

Lil Zane's biggest hit was "Hardball" As far as I'm concerned.

Drake Is more like Nelly to me, even then IMO Nelly was bigger in 01-02 than Drake is right now at his peak....

youre really missing my point here.

theres absolutely nothing in common between drake & nelly.

you can say that was zane's biggest hit back then. but put him out now, and he'd do much better.

 

[iliketurtles]

Every rapper falls off you Idiot. Plus dont Ever put waynes mediocre self on the Same level as a Elite MC like Jay.smh

Wayne is the greatest of all time

 

[Juggalo Fred]

He needs to stop putting Kanye up there with the Jay's and Biggie's too

and people need to stop putting Jay up there with Biggie

 

[kingjones29]

these kids keep talking that chit. they dont even realize that drake is in the same age group as most of us, and even older than some of the people that yall are calling . so what does that tell you? sounds live youve been bamboozled and these rappers are getting over on yall because you dont know any better.

but hey, dont mind me. if youre comfortable with being a dikkhead, then stay a dikkhead.

and drake isnt running the rap game. he runs the radio. thats it. thats not the same thing as running rap. the same way jarule was. word to @Prodigal Syndicate. i think it was him that said this earlier.

he runs the radio and rap game bro his songs bangs in the clubs and streets

 

[kingjones29]

So far so Gone - Gold
Thank Me Later - 1.5 Million
Take Care - 2 Million
Nothing was the Same 1.5 Million


Sure the numbers are pretty consistant but they also showing a dropoff. "Views from then 6" might be the 1st sign as it will probably go Platinum but not by that much.

but it still sells better than most of his rap peers so the dropoff can be because of the sales climate

 

[Wacky D]

and people need to stop putting Jay up there with Biggie

jay better than biggie tho.

he runs the radio and rap game bro his songs bangs in the clubs and streets

the only play drake gets in the streets is the singles that are drilled into people's skulls.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

 

[Easy-E]

Kanye has killed every platinum rapper on a song at least once sing like 05

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