Jalen Hurts is finally silencing the critics and showing the world he’s elite “ The official Jalen Hurts MVP tracker thread”

[Mister Terrific]

 

[Shadow King]

The video addresses the “team construction” fallacy argument.

The Eagles running game has been bad and their blocking has been mid. The defense as well has been mid. AJ didn’t play and Hurts had his most efficient game.

It’s hilarious you’re acting like Philly is the only team with good players in the NFL of all places.

Was that the case for the past 3 years when this "when it counts" narrative y'all built around Hurts was being built?

Your last sentence is a strawman argument.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Was that the case for the past 3 years when this "when it counts" narrative y'all built around Hurts was being built?

Who built what narrative?

Your last sentence is a strawman argument.

You brought up the so-called advantages Hurts has in team construction. So you didn’t mean what you said?

 

[Shadow King]

Who built what narrative?

You brought up the so-called advantages Hurts has in team construction. So you didn’t mean what you said?

The Coli did.

Yes I did, because that's been the case since 2022, when y'all started the Hurts Is Elite narrative. I meant everything I said, and nobody has answered my original question.

 

[BucciMane]

So, Allen has similar numbers in less games with less talent by FAR, and we’re supposed to be surprised he has higher MVP odds?.

A lot of you Eagles fans have reading comprehension issues, nuance issues, and flat out ignore questions like @Shadow King was asking, while deflecting and moving the goalposts.

 

[BucciMane]

The Coli did.

Yes I did, because that's been the case since 2022, when y'all started the Hurts Is Elite narrative. I meant everything I said, and nobody has answered my original question.

Idiots like @Mister Terrific (probably the dumbest of them all) don’t answer your question, move the goalposts, or post videos/tweets that don’t actually address with what you’re saying. Most Eagles fans in here are reasonable, but he’s beyond helpless.

You and are view this the same. We are not saying Hurts is bad. We are saying that context matters and that if you’re going to call Hurts elite for years, then you need to keep that standard across the board, and recognize that supporting casts do make a major difference.

 

[Shadow King]

Idiots like @Mister Terrific (probably the dumbest of them all) don’t answer your question, move the goalposts, or post videos/tweets that don’t actually address with what you’re saying. Most Eagles fans in here are reasonable, but he’s beyond helpless.

You and are view this the same. We are not saying Hurts is bad. We are saying that context matters and that if you’re going to call Hurts elite for years, then you need to keep that standard across the board, and recognize that supporting casts do make a major difference.

Based on the last couple years I'm not sure about this, and this extrapolates outside of the Coli.

The bail I'll shoot them is that most sports fans (even more so with NFL QBs) can't respect the various shades of good. Only elite and average/mediocre are understood.

 

[BucciMane]

Based on the last couple years I'm not sure about this, and this extrapolates outside of the Coli.

I was trying to be kind as I didn’t want to go back and forth much in here today. .

 

[Shadow King]

I was trying to be kind as I didn’t want to go back and forth much in here today. .

I said something more nuanced in an edit.

 

[Ohene]

You didn't have to say he was better. You were using stats without context. We know Buffalo lives and dies by Allen.

But you are implying that Hurts is better than some if not all of the names you listed.

All things considered I’m taking hurts over every qb in the league except

Allen
Jackson
Mahomes

Can’t trust anyone else to either not make dumb mistakes when it matters or stay healthy

 

[Ohene]

That doesn't answer my original question about your Allen comparison or automatically make him better.

I guess Eli is better than his brother and Aikman is better than Marino by this logic. Even in one of your names you have include a teammate.

I’m not that old so I can’t speak on marino
And no that logic doesn’t apply to peyton/eli. Eli made tons of mistakes and won way less than peyton…wtf you even talking about lol

Come up with better examples

 

[Mister Terrific]

The Coli did.

Yes I did, because that's been the case since 2022, when y'all started the Hurts Is Elite narrative. I meant everything I said, and nobody has answered my original question.

So you set up a strawman


Your original question was set up on a false premise. The Eagles are anything but well constructed this year.

Who’s your team?

 

[Mister Terrific]

 

[Mister Terrific]

 

[Shadow King]

All things considered I’m taking hurts over every qb in the league except

Allen
Jackson
Mahomes

Can’t trust anyone else to either not make dumb mistakes when it matters or stay healthy

We haven't seen Hurts deal with "all things considered" while holding this supposed mantle of elite, so essentially saying he's Top 4 is too much.

I’m not that old so I can’t speak on marino
And no that logic doesn’t apply to peyton/eli. Eli made tons of mistakes and won way less than peyton…wtf you even talking about lol

Come up with better examples

Peyton/Eli is perfect example because Peyton is notoriously given the choker narrative while Eli has a Playoff Mode moniker when the reality is his defense was the best in football from December on in both runs. In other words, the "when it matters" narrative favors the inferior QB.

"Won way less" than Peyton is disingenuous when the most of these discussions revolve around not getting IT (Super Bowl) done, not Wild Card and Divisional round games.