Jalen Hurts

[Controversy]

Not saying you're wrong but how did you come to this conclusion? For the most part, he seems to make the reads necessary for getting first downs and winning.

he throws to his first or second read far too often. He did that at Bama too. Diff now is he plays in a more creative offense. He makes one or two reads and then scrambles off of instinct.

 

[THE MACHINE]

You really shouldn't have brought up his Bama days seeing as he played poorly enough throughout the season to get benched in a championship game of all places.

Like, breh, multiple posters (including myself) who have watched his Bama games have stated how garbage his accuracy was on a consistent basis.

He would underthrow wide-open receivers, which would force them to make Moss-like catches. Essentially, he was a step above Phillip Sims: great, powerful runner with good arm strength and mediocre at best accuracy.

In other words, the nikka was living off of Bama's talent his two years there.

I'm not saying he was all world as a freshman/sophomore, but has he not grown since then? He was "managing" the team well enough to get them to the big game. And Tua came in and was all-world good. The fact is hes right back in the final 4 and has had a great year (by most standards).

People saying from 3rd-5th round draft grades is whats crazy. He has comparable numbers to the last 2 number 1 picks in the same system. And QBd another program to the big game, no matter how small a role people say he played, he took the snaps right? Unless the argument is the last 2 number 1s should have been 3rd-4th rounders, I cant understand his grade.

Mayfield (70%, 11.0 y/a) #1 overall pick
Murray (69%, 11.0 y/a) #1 overall pick
Hurts (72%, 11.8 y/attempt) 4th round grade???

Mayfield 97 rushes, 506 (5.1) and 5 TDs
Murray 140 rushes, 1,001 (7.1) and 12 TDs
Hurts 219 rushes 1,255 (5.7) and 18 TDs

Total TDs
Mayfield 2017 = 48
Murray 2018 = 54
Hurts 2019 = 50

Team Record
2017 = 12-2
2018 = 12-2
2019 = 12-1*

 

[NYC Rebel]

I'm not saying he was all world as a freshman/sophomore, but has he not grown since then? He was "managing" the team well enough to get them to the big game. And Tua came in and was all-world good. The fact is hes right back in the final 4 and has had a great year (by most standards).

People saying from 3rd-5th round draft grades is whats crazy. He has comparable numbers to the last 2 number 1 picks in the same system. And QBd another program to the big game, no matter how small a role people say he played, he took the snaps right? Unless the argument is the last 2 number 1s should have been 3rd-4th rounders, I cant understand his grade.

Mayfield (70%, 11.0 y/a) #1 overall pick
Murray (69%, 11.0 y/a) #1 overall pick
Hurts (72%, 11.8 y/attempt) 4th round grade???

Mayfield 97 rushes, 506 (5.1) and 5 TDs
Murray 140 rushes, 1,001 (7.1) and 12 TDs
Hurts 219 rushes 1,255 (5.7) and 18 TDs

Total TDs
Mayfield 2017 = 48
Murray 2018 = 54
Hurts 2019 = 50

Team Record
2017 = 12-2
2018 = 12-2
2019 = 12-1*

Hurts runs so much because hes the lesser passer out of the three. Lincoln had to protect him from himself at times.

stop being so number heavy. We actually watched him

 

[Controversy]

I'm not saying he was all world as a freshman/sophomore, but has he not grown since then? He was "managing" the team well enough to get them to the big game. And Tua came in and was all-world good. The fact is hes right back in the final 4 and has had a great year (by most standards).

People saying from 3rd-5th round draft grades is whats crazy. He has comparable numbers to the last 2 number 1 picks in the same system. And QBd another program to the big game, no matter how small a role people say he played, he took the snaps right? Unless the argument is the last 2 number 1s should have been 3rd-4th rounders, I cant understand his grade.

Mayfield (70%, 11.0 y/a) #1 overall pick
Murray (69%, 11.0 y/a) #1 overall pick
Hurts (72%, 11.8 y/attempt) 4th round grade???

Mayfield 97 rushes, 506 (5.1) and 5 TDs
Murray 140 rushes, 1,001 (7.1) and 12 TDs
Hurts 219 rushes 1,255 (5.7) and 18 TDs

Total TDs
Mayfield 2017 = 48
Murray 2018 = 54
Hurts 2019 = 50

Team Record
2017 = 12-2
2018 = 12-2
2019 = 12-1*

you can't just go by stats

when evaluating QBs you have to look at things like poise, anticipation, pocket presence, throwing platforms, footwork, mechanics, etc...

If I'm a playoff team with an aging QB, I draft him in the 3rd round.

 

[thenatural]

You really shouldn't have brought up his Bama days seeing as he played poorly enough throughout the season to get benched in a championship game of all places.

Like, breh, multiple posters (including myself) who have watched his Bama games have stated how garbage his accuracy was on a consistent basis.

He would underthrow wide-open receivers, which would force them to make Moss-like catches. Essentially, he was a step above Phillip Sims: great, powerful runner with good arm strength and mediocre at best accuracy.

In other words, the nikka was living off of Bama's talent his two years there.

You mean Blake Sims?

 

[THE MACHINE]

Hurts runs so much because hes the lesser passer out of the three. Lincoln had to protect him from himself at times.

stop being so number heavy. We actually watched him

I'm clearly deferring to you guys as I don't see a huge difference when I see them play. And the numbers back that up. You think hes that much worse than Baker and Kyler? 3 rounds worse?

 

[THE MACHINE]

he throws to his first or second read far too often. He did that at Bama too. Diff now is he plays in a more creative offense. He makes one or two reads and then scrambles off of instinct.

I don't think scrambling as a third option for a good running QB is much worse that the 3rd or 4th passing read on most offensive plays

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Most projections don't have him as a first rounder
QB'd two different teams to the final 4. One was a conventional pro style and the other was more of a spread.

6'2"
220lbs
Heisman runner up

This season 11-1
Passing
3634 yards
72% Completion
32/7 TD/INT

1255 yards rushing
18 TDs

Are NFL GMs about to F this up again?

Do you actually watch Hurts play? Not even Bama or OU fans think he's an NFL qb for a reason. He's worth a pick after the third or fourth round as a project.

 

[Controversy]

Don't get me wrong, Jalen has improved TREMENDOUSLY over the past 2 seasons.

After his soph yr, he had no future at QB in the nfl

He will def get drafted to play QB now and he's putting in work. He still has lots of room for improvement & that's a great thing.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

It’s best to fall and get picked up by
A good team on some might as well shyt. With the way these quarterbacks get hurt now you’re almost guaranteed to get pt these days. If I’m Jalen Hurts, I’m ok with possibly falling to a contender instead of getting picked in the top ten going to a terrible team and possibly get knocked out the league early.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Do you actually watch Hurts play? Not even Bama or OU fans think he's an NFL qb for a reason.

Yes, Ive watched quite a few games. I will say the games Ive seen are the ones hes absolutely beasted though so that's why I posed the question to you. Ive only seen his ceiling and he looked like a high first rounder when I saw him.

Not thinking hes an NFL QB is ridiculous

 

[THE MACHINE]

It’s best to fall and get picked up by
A good team on some might as well shyt. With the way these quarterbacks get hurt now you’re almost guaranteed to get pt these days. If I’m Jalen Hurts, I’m ok with possibly falling to a contender instead of getting picked in the top ten going to a terrible team and possibly get knocked out the league early.

Breh, I think if Pittsburgh had him right now theyd have 2 more wins lol

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Yes, Ive watched quite a few games. I will say the games Ive seen are the ones hes absolutely beasted though so that's why I posed the question to you. Ive only seen his ceiling and he looked like a high first rounder when I saw him.

Not thinking hes an NFL QB is ridiculous

It is not ridiculous. The worst thing you can be as a player in the NFL, much less a QB, is predictable. When Jalen has played against teams that can match his weapons athletically look at how he struggles. He is impatient with his reads and gives up on plays the same way. If his read isn't there, scramble out of the pocket to the right. Rinse, repeat. He does not process information in the pocket the way a Lamar Jackson, Russel Wilson, or Kyler Murray does. Jalen just takes what he can get when the next level of QB playing is making the defense give you what you want.

If you can't work your way down your progressions consistently (play after play, drive after drive, game after game) at Bama and especially in the Big XII at OU there's little hope for you at the next level. He's spent his entire CFB with a stupid amount of time in the pocket a striking amount of his plays are him rolling out to his right looking for success in a broken play. He's the one breaking the plays.

 

[THE MACHINE]

It is not ridiculous. The worst thing you can be as a player in the NFL, much less a QB, is predictable. When Jalen has played against teams that can match his weapons athletically look at how he struggles. He is impatient with his reads and gives up on plays the same way. If his read isn't there, scramble out of the pocket to the right. Rinse, repeat. He does not process information in the pocket the way a Lamar Jackson, Russel Wilson, or Kyler Murray does. Jalen just takes what he can get when the next level of QB playing is making the defense give you what you want.

Its ridiculous because you would be saying where he is now is his ceiling. He has shown great growth since Alabama. Some of that might be due to Lincoln's system but it also has to be credited to him not settling for what he was and labeled as. To say he couldn't join the league and be a backup until his number is called is crazy based on the success he's had numbers wise, and team success wise.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Its ridiculous because you would be saying where he is now is his ceiling. He has shown great growth since Alabama. Some of that might be due to Lincoln's system but it also has to be credited to him not settling for what he was and labeled as. To say he couldn't join the league and be a backup until his number is called is crazy based on the success he's had numbers wise, and team success wise.

He hasn't shown growth. His stats are up, that's it. That's what you're getting hung up on here. At the start of the season it looked like he took a leap but once the competition stepped up the old habits where there. He's a project. A major project. You started this thread suggesting he should be a first round pick when the reality is if Jalen Hurts is starting a NFL game in the next 2 years it means that there's a team in absolute crisis. This is a dude in his 4th year as a CFB QB with the same glaring weaknesses as the first. That's not good.