James Harden First Recorded 30/15/14 Triple Double with Zero Turnovers in NBA History
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Bron was busting KD ass before he went to MiamiI mean Bron only best KD in 2012 bc he ran away to form a super team
their head to head was SO lopsided before KD went to GS
that is WHY KD went to GS
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This is fair, so then my questions are:
1. What is Brooklyn's ceiling, in your estimation?
2. Overall, the Nets were 6-6 (.500) at the time of the Harden trade, and are 17-7 (.708) since, a 58-win pace. Where was this dramatic shift in production coming from without him, from a ~41-win team to a ~58 win one?
3. The overall analysis is multifold to me. I completely agree with you, we've seen Harden do this before, not once or twice, but multiple times. He's had regular seasons with these kinds of stretches, but he never had the weaponry next to him he has now. Does that change your opinion of what you think Harden can do in the postseason, given he has a different level of pressure-relievers next to him?
I am with anyone else that he has to provide this energy and effort in the playoffs, but I do feel confident in his ability to do so given the accelerated talent around him...
4. A spade is a spade, and I'm compelled to say if the Nets win the ultimate prize, I've seen this from all of these guys before---->I've seen this from Kyrie. .500 team with him, he isn't doing the heaviest lifting to position yhem to championship contention, hypothetically watching him hit a big bucket or few in the playoffs or Finals likely won't change my opinion of him, he's in the role best suited to him and the Nets aren't doing what they are or will do, if he's the guy required to do the heavy lifting...
I've seen this story on him already, the Kyrie gassing gets outta control on here...
And I gotta see something different from Durant, I just have to. This here, being hurt in the regular season, seen it. Watching him be a plug-and-play weapon to a squad balling at championship level without him, seen it. Watching him hypothetically in go time step in and play uninhibited because a teammate becomes the focal point of the opponent game plan, seen it...
When these other two guys go down (in production, not necessarily injury) and Durant still has them as championship viable, this is what will earn a different perspective on Durant. This is what Magic became when Kareem wasn't Kareem anymore. This is what Kobe became when Shaq was no longer there. Durant, aside from his first three years, has been playing alongside All-Time, All-NBA, Hall Of Fame level talent his entire career. His whole career. I already know what he can and can't do with the stars all aligned for him...
So this last point is explaining my macro view of Durant and why Harden will close the historical gap between the two if this level of play continues. I'm on record here many, many, many times, as saying I view Durant already as Top 15, but everyone doesn't. He's knocking on the door of Top 10 with a few more hot streaks but his accessibility to injury, and the evidence that Top 10'ers have both done more with less than Durant, and done more with more, are gonna cap his ceiling as to how far he ascends. There's already a thin line between he and Steph, the other generational Top 3 guy, and Steph is working on his own historical ascension and story that will have an impact on how people look back at those two, compared...
That he has yet another Top 50 All-Timer next to him playing at prime and near peak levels, is another indictment. Harden in my opinion is proving to be the better player right now in the moment, but I'm okay understanding thats a point of contention. It isnt a point of contention that the on/off splits favor Harden over either of the other two...KD won't be the only GOAT, not by a long shot, to spend virtually his whole career playing on loaded squads. He'll get his due as he continues to play at an elite level abd rack up accolades, possibly more titles, but when you contextualize his work with those before him who he will and already is being compared to, unless something changes, there's a limit to how far he can rise, meanwhile three of the other Top 5 guys of his generation (Curry, Harden, Kawhi) are playing in their primes still as well writing their own historical cases, and Durant also played with possibly the 6th or 7th best player of his era as well when that guy was at his best...
Gotta see more from him but there's a paradigm shift under way if Harden continues to hoop. Harden has to be this guy in the playoffs but to me its pretty clear that at the moment he's better than Durant and this Nets team isn't playing at this level without Harden---->not without Durant..
What, in the reg season?
the 2012 thunder would beat any Bron team before he went to Miami
fair I’d fair, Bron ran to Miami to form a super team, and so did KD
and when Bron saw KD in the last 2 finals, it was a murder
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I think the idea they win the championship if they beat the Dubos is a bit overblown imo. Even if CP0 somehow didnt blow out then, he would've blown out eventually. Their style of offense (read: shooting) always flames out eventually too. If it ended up just being LeBron and them nikkas against Harden and them nikkas, I would've took Cavs
to the rest of your point, I think I'd take the Clips over the Nets without KD IF them nikkas don't play like pansies in the postseason again. Kawhi just dont got shyt for KD, and I think he blows up their potential defensive scheme more than Kyrie and Harden does
They should be mad at the team for shipping him to a org that already had KD and Kyrie
i haven't seen a in season trade this bad for a star since vince was traded for a washed up mourning, erick and aaron williams and some draft picks which amounted to be joey graham and another that was traded for antonio davis who then they waived
It's actually the opposite. Nobody is downplaying KD's greatness, he's an all-time player but ya'll dikkride and overrate him because of an obsession with downplaying Lebron and propping up his adversaries.
Ya'll bronsexuals be projecting like a MF. Human psychology is interesting.
KD + Wade + Bosh win just as many rings if not more.
As does KD + Kyrie + Love
As does KD + AD
You dweebs scrutinize the shyt out of teams from KD's perspective but be acting like LeBron didn't win playing with HOFs. They both played with great teammates and won when the pieces maximized their potential.
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Yeah imma need the Eminem of the NBA to win me a playoff series or 2 , before we crown him and throw his name in that hat
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MVP.
But the media won't give it to him cuz of the Houston situation.
Oh well let's get that ring
But the media won't give it to him cuz of the Houston situation.
Oh well let's get that ring
MVP.
But the media won't give it to him cuz of the Houston situation.
Oh well let's get that ring
he quit on his team and tanked in every way possible to get traded
if the media doesn’t vote him cause of that, could you really blame them?
he has the rest of the season to try to erase that stink, but his behavior during that was an embarrassment for the league
AJtheOne
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Bottom line is the guy is playing great basketball and deserves recognition for it.
The media likes narratives and stories. They don't care about what happens on the court.
Am I justifying what he did? No. But team owners and gms have done much more grimier things to players.