This. You are speaking from a man's supposed POV; assigning value based on the supposed values of men.
I love how you made the fat woman in the scenerio a pig slob and the skinny woman damn near perfect. Come on now.
There is literally a thread on this very forum that's been trending for days about these men oogling fat women. Literally.
Women shouldn't go around telling women they aren't good enough because men want to fukk them less. Leave that to the men.
I would think no less of you if you were fat; none.
I don't think less of anyone who is big. But I see you’re point.
This is a men’s forum, talking about how ppl are evaluated. We talk about how men’s physical appearance gets evaluated too. There’s a thread on here telling (men) to get their bodies in shape for summer 2025. I’m sure it’s not for other men.
And yes of course we have threads with men showing their attraction to bigger women. We also have plenty of threads of guys shytting on big women, too. We have threads on here mocking big men as well (admittedly not as many).
I definitely laid it on thick when describing the bigger woman- that was me exaggerating and highlighting why she might be big— that’s on me, you are right.
My point wasn’t about women not being good enough because men don’t deem them sexually attractive. That’s why I highlighted the other things I mentioned that have nothing to do with looks. Also- striving for fitness doesn’t mean that a woman is solely trying to be more physically appealing for men, if at all. Being fit for health and for the sake of being fit is very much a goal for many. Moving better, feeling more comfortable in your body and being less prone to injury and health complications is priceless.
Part of the conversation was about
competition.
Men showing each other how to show up and compete in life vs the claim that women don’t encourage each other to improve. Yes, they were talking about women who aren’t honest with each other about their weight.
I included that in my response because that was what was mentioned by breh but, again, I highlighted the other things that are equally or more important than looks.
They were talking about men competing/improving for the attention/affection of the women they want.
There is an equivalent of that for women who want men.
Again- we don’t have to improve for men, but
this discussion was about people improving and essentially competing in the dating/marriage market. That’s LITERALLY what KS was about. So if we are tackling things from that standpoint, yes- men wanted to learn how to improve so they could
compete for the women they wanted.
KS started out shytting on brehs who didn’t know how to groom themselves, had crappy jobs and had horrible business plans. He was so disgusted with the caliber of men hitting him up he switched up and started on Black women because he realized he would make bank. He literally blew up because he called that girl average.
Jason Black noted that the manosphere’s message was futile because of the types of men running it and what their actual motivations were (
money).
If a man didn’t want a woman/relationship
he had no reason to be remotely interested in KS/the manosphere. He’d just go off and be a “Sigma Male” (
).
So no, we aren’t less than if we aren’t physically appealing to men and we don’t have to compete or be fit for men. But the space we are discussing is literally about “improving” which is essentially the nice way of saying
competing…improving in all areas to have a better chance of attracting the type of partner you want.
Plenty of lames with money who can’t get a girl because they are insufferable and plenty of beautiful women who get tossed aside because they are vapid. Plenty of “nice guys” who get overlooked because other guys are more charismatic and plenty of “nice girls” who get overlooked because men are drawn to looks before they learn to appreciate other things we bring. Plenty of people in the middle who genuinely want to find a partner and they are getting caught up in some of these spaces and not necessarily getting advice that helps.
That’s why these discussions are happening all over the internet.
My only point was breh highlighted that there are men in these spaces telling men things they should work on, and there are women doing the exact same thing. Whether their messages appeal to or help some women is another discussion. Just like Jason critiquing the efficacy of the manosphere.
Everyone I knew was working remotely and kicking it and there was no discussion of online stuff.
even if what he was saying was true it wasn't groundbreaking at all, I think people are to easily impressed. Plus I never like hearing gay people talk about male female relationships, not saying I think he was gay now but when I first saw that cheerleader picture 