Jay-Z, Eminem, Macklemore and Kanye West Have A Total of 55 Grammys Between Them

[No1]

You're not defending the Grammy's...Your defending the notion that the critical acclaim of your favorite artists are deserved and justified.. Any reasonable person from an unbiased perspective can look at the 50 to 0 score card and admit that something seems unethical.. Take away every name on my list and just cherry pick a top 3. Then compare their success rate to Em, Jay and Kanye and its still 50-0...

What the are you talking about, like you're making so little sense . I critiqued the Grammys and who I thought should've won each year so many times with you and others, that I saw no need to take the 5 minutes out of my day to individually go down and break down every single year. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say that "any reasonable person can look at whatever result and claim that it MUST be unethical." Do you realize that nowhere in the democratic world is that accepted as a valid final answer. All that does is cause you to look into the actual facts. When you do look at them, your argument falls apart and that doesn't sit well with you so you dwell in this realm of hopeless generalities because you have nothing to stand on. What you fail to realize, is that as the person critiquing the onus is on YOU to provide the specific evidence, and you can't. You never do. You keep using 50 to 0 when that's an improper analysis in the first place, as long as that is the crux of your argument, you have nothing to stand on. You cannot use cumulative analysis for a yearly award

Take any 3 of those people and Jay and Ye have more nominations than most of them have combined. Which would be a critique of the NOMINATIONS not the awards, which is something you cannot comprehend apparently. Pick any 3 of those artists you listed (and exclude 2Pac getting robbed for Changes by Eminem) and then demonstrate 4 examples of them getting robbed in a category they should've won in. By robbed I mean objectively speaking, it lost to something it was universally more heralded then...and where it was better than all the other nominees too. That's all you have to do, and you can't.

In all the typing you did you never articulated a point why that's fair or reasonable...

Its similar to how The Sopranos received over 100 Emmy wins and The Wire received none..
I heard the same lame explanations from voters and critics but the reality is they were just lazy and uninformed so they took the road most traveled...

Yet, you fail to realize that your Sopranos vs. Wire argument is MY argument that apparently you can't grasp (the wire only be nominated twice ever). This is a perfect example of a nikka having an opinion that gets refuted and talking in circles to convince himself that it makes sense when someone puts him on the defensive.

 

[JerseyBoy23]

It's simply about quality and popularity because when you look at it even 808s, Encore,and Kingdom Come were all ignored by the Grammys and those are the albums considered duds by most critics.

 

[Ziggiy]

What the are you talking about, like you're making so little sense . I critiqued the Grammys and who I thought should've won each year so many times with you and others, that I saw no need to take the 5 minutes out of my day to individually go down and break down every single year. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say that "any reasonable person can look at whatever result and claim that it MUST be unethical." Do you realize that nowhere in the democratic world is that accepted as a valid final answer. All that does is cause you to look into the actual facts. When you do look at them, your argument falls apart and that doesn't sit well with you so you dwell in this realm of hopeless generalities because you have nothing to stand on. What you fail to realize, is that as the person critiquing the onus is on YOU to provide the specific evidence, and you can't. You never do. You keep using 50 to 0 when that's an improper analysis in the first place, as long as that is the crux of your argument, you have nothing to stand on. You cannot use cumulative analysis for a yearly award

Take any 3 of those people and Jay and Ye have more nominations than most of them have combined. Which would be a critique of the NOMINATIONS not the awards, which is something you cannot comprehend apparently. Pick any 3 of those artists you listed (and exclude 2Pac getting robbed for Changes by Eminem) and then demonstrate 4 examples of them getting robbed in a category they should've won in. By robbed I mean objectively speaking, it lost to something it was universally more heralded then...and where it was better than all the other nominees too.

I'm pretty sure you and me have had this debate before, I'd argue that Kanye West was absolutely ROBBED of an Album Of The Year nom for MBDTF, that Nas deserved the Best Rap Album over Lil Wayne for Untitled in 09 (I also wouldn't argue if someone said AG should've won) that Nas ABSOLUTELY deserved Best Rap Record for Daughters over NIP, and that The Cool should've won over Graduation

 

[Ziggiy]

I stopped watching the Grammys 5 years ago and I can't stand them. How bout that Grammy snub this year? Drakes 2011 album winning a 2012 Grammy over Life is Good by Nas. Take Care was barely HipHop but I'm asleep

Drake's album didn't drop in time to make the 2011 cut off hence he had to wait until the 13 awards to be eligible. Can't really "blame" that on Drake though I do agree that LIG was the better album and deserved the award. Its the same thing though I fully expect Good Kid M.a.a.d City to be the frontrunner for the 14 awards even though it released Oct of last year. GKMC is an EXCELLENT album though so its whatever.....

 

[OG Talk]

@ barnone you haven't refuted anything.. You came in here and unsuccessfully tried to change the conversation...The reason it failed is not even because you're right or wrong.. Its because you do a terrible job articulating yourself..Sometimes less is more...

 

[wire28]

a couple GOATS and a camel

 

[No1]

I'm pretty sure you and me have had this debate before, I'd argue that Kanye West was absolutely ROBBED of an Album Of The Year nom for MBDTF, that Nas deserved the Best Rap Album over Lil Wayne for Untitled in 09 (I also wouldn't argue if someone said AG should've won) that Nas ABSOLUTELY deserved Best Rap Record for Daughters over NIP, and that The Cool should've won over Graduation

See, but I respect that and all of those are debatable. The MBDTF thing is another argument entirely. Hip Hop always gets disrespected in that category. You know how that shyt is.

The Cool was not nominated with Graduation, it came out too late in the year. The Cool was is the same category as Untitled, AG, The Carter 3 and TI's album. Everyone of those albums was better than the Carter 3. The robbery was not of any individual artist, it was in the Grammys awarding the hot person at the time who the magazines had crowned as having a great album (which he didn't). Blame the reviewers.

Graduation went up against Finding Forever, T.I. vs. TIP, HHID and Kingdom Come. It is actually better than every single one of those albums. All of those albums have flaws, it has the least. You can argue Daughters if you want, I won't push back much against it, but Daughters and NIP are two different types of songs and one was not more critically acclaimed than the other. The latter, however, took on a life of its own. Daughters didn't have the effect of a "Dear Mama" or "Changes." It would have to be that to win. Which is why I always say, One Mic got robbed back then.

 

[No1]

@ barnone you haven't refuted anything.. You came in here and unsuccessfully tried to change the conversation...The reason it failed is not even because you're right or wrong.. Its because you do a terrible job articulating yourself..Sometimes less is more...

 

[jaylav_]

Drake's album didn't drop in time to make the 2011 cut off hence he had to wait until the 13 awards to be eligible. Can't really "blame" that on Drake though I do agree that LIG was the better album and deserved the award. Its the same thing though I fully expect Good Kid M.a.a.d City to be the frontrunner for the 14 awards even though it released Oct of last year. GKMC is an EXCELLENT album though so its whatever.....

Well I get that i dont like that rule but yk fukk my opinion lol Drake's Take Care was mostly R&B and simp music b. it won in a Hip-Hop category, Nas' single handedly earned the grammy and still got snubbed

 

[GeeEffKay]

who the fukk votes for these anyway and whats the criteria for selecting the winner..i mean recovery and relapse won so are we really gonna take them that serious

 

[prophecypro]

Its always had a bit unevenness to it. For all the categories it has under Hip-Hop they usually give them all to the same 1 or 2 acts.

If they are credible and the albums sells thats enough for them. Which is why that whole argument about credbility vs sales argument they had a couple of years back Esmeralda Spalding and Bieber never really made sense. As a committee they pick and chose...which is what committees should do. But they'll never take a huge risk. The only risk they went with was going the Roots an award and it making the broadcast back in 2000. And you can argue they did it partly for Badu who was still big and mainstream at the time (from 97-2000 she really was)

 

[MilesTeg]

Yeah the Grammy Rap awards have a ridiculous imbalance. As good as Jay, Eminem, and Kanye are, it is absurd that they have so many Grammys, while almost every other great rapper has none.

No awards show is perfect, and the Grammy's have long been terrible. (The Simpsons used to sh-t on them all the time in the 90's, calling them worthless.)

But at the same time, it's incredible how much they disrespect the rap genre compared to other genres. They don't even televise the Best Rap Album award - but they sure televise the Pop, Rock and Country Awards!

How the f-ck is Best Rap Album given the same non-televised status as Best Polka Album and whatnot, when the sales and critical appraise is right up there with rock and pop and country. In fact, rap is probably the #1 most important musical genre in the past 20 years. But the Grammy's treat it like a passing fad. The only time a rap album gets major praise from the Grammy's is when there isn't much rap in it (Speakerboxxx / The Love Below).

 

[Ziggiy]

See, but I respect that and all of those are debatable. The MBDTF thing is another argument entirely. Hip Hop always gets disrespected in that category. You know how that shyt is.

The Cool was not nominated with Graduation, it came out too late in the year. The Cool was is the same category as Untitled, AG, The Carter 3 and TI's album. Everyone of those albums was better than the Carter 3. The robbery was not of any individual artist, it was in the Grammys awarding the hot person at the time who the magazines had crowned as having a great album (which he didn't). Blame the reviewers.

Graduation went up against Finding Forever, T.I. vs. TIP, HHID and Kingdom Come. It is actually better than every single one of those albums. All of those albums have flaws, it has the least. You can argue Daughters if you want, I won't push back much against it, but Daughters and NIP are two different types of songs and one was not more critically acclaimed than the other. The latter, however, took on a life of its own. Daughters didn't have the effect of a "Dear Mama" or "Changes." It would have to be that to win. Which is why I always say, One Mic got robbed back then.

I agree with pretty much all of this EXCEPT for Graduation being better than Finding Forever. Finding Forever was MUCH better lyrically and conceptually in my opinion. I like HHID over Graduation as well but in wouldn't necessarily say its a BETTER album, I just prefer one over he other. I'd give both HHID and Graduation 4 mics and FF 4.5, But that's just a fan opinion.

I also understand the argument on Daughters and NIP being two different songs, which is why my my own argument on the matter is that NIP was deserving of its Best Rap PERFORMANCE award while not deserving Best rap SONG. The Rap Song category is a writer's award and Daughters was the better written song with a more poignant and emotionally honest theme. This is part of my problem with the Grammy's. There is no fair divide amongst the categories. To say that NIP is the BEST writing that a rap artist can conjure sets a dangerous and insulting precedence for the culture. NIP is very formulaic and repetitious (this is not to say its bad, its a good song but its CLEARLY meant to be lyrically simple) and does NOT equate well to the best writing that either Hov or Yeezy did on that album. I'd find it a much better representation of Hip Hop as a WHOLE if the songs clearly meant as deeper representations of the culture were rewarded writer's awards while the better PERFORMED songs revived the performance award. If you listen to both songs back to back its clear which of them were more deserving of this particular award...

 

[HipHopStan]

(The Simpsons used to sh-t on them all the time in the 90's, calling them worthless.)

Wait...why the fukk are we giving a fukk about the Grammys again? This is like the third or fourth thread in a month that I've seen on this subject.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

List of awards and nominations received by Eminem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


39 grammy nomination and only 13 wins