Jay-Z is not top 5 !

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Canibus? Really guys. :childplease:
I wasn't saying Canibus is in my top 5, I was saying I wouldn't be mad at somebody who had Bis in their top 5, I wouldn't, infact quite a few of his fans do, that's what some need to understand, for some Bis is exactly what they are looking for and he matches their criteria, probably skill wise and lyrically, often content wise too. So while he may not be in my personal top 5 currently I can respect it even while holding a different view.
 

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Did I say I care what 12 year olds or anybody else think? Or did I say what I think? I know its subjective. But like I said I'm not going to change my tune whether its subjective or not. That shyt is irrelevant to me. I don't care what other people deem is right:mjlol: It may sound cold but that's just the way I feel.
I mean this threads about peoples opinion on whos the top 5 :hubie:but ight playa do ya thing.
 

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I wasn't saying Canibus is in my top 5, I was saying I wouldn't be mad at somebody who had Bis in their top 5, I wouldn't, infact quite a few of his fans do, that's what some need to understand, for some Bis is exactly what they are looking for and he matches their criteria, probably skill wise and lyrically, often content wise too. So while he may not be in my personal top 5 currently I can respect it even while holding a different view.
I feel you. This gets at something that's probably important and often overlooked. Do we even need to focus on the bad music they've made if we're satisfied with the amount of good projects they gave us.
 

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I feel you. This gets at something that's probably important and often overlooked. Do we even need to focus on the bad music they've made if we're satisfied with the amount of good projects they gave us.

That's what I mean, there's so many intangibles there and each person is different so bound to get varying views and perspectives. I think personally speaking I judge everything but it's normally how much good/great work do they have, for example Jay Z in my top 10, probably top 6 or something, but that's based on what he DID do, rather than the inconsistency of some of his projects/songs, I don't feel like that can take away from what he HAS done, but I'd imagine some people feel different, even time can change how people feel, and also how deeply somebody's really listened and studied an artists music, some do their homework properly later. 1 issue I have with some on here is they talk about artists and make concrete definitive statements without really being up on the artists discography like that, and if that's the case then that really damages the credibility. Like hypothetically if somebody says Nas is wack off the fact they only heard Nastradamus, then that's clearly a bias view point, you have to do due diligence, especially on some of the legendary artists to form a knowledgeable opinion.
 

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Better than Biggie? Lol...Jay Z has been great but he wouldn't be the man he is if BIG was alive or had DMX was able to keep it together.

Maybe true but it's not about if...it's about what really happened.

@Murkman we need to talk about Cube. I don't like what I'm reading.
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so because i don't agree with everything he says im bipolar lmao smh

first off i never stanned anybody second take his dikk out of your mouth i guess u want me to agree with everything like u do lmao u dikk eating ass motherfukker.

didn't you quit hip hop and say it was never a culture. i seem to remember this.

You know how long it took for him to fall off with beat selection? Around the "Kingdom Come" era, then "BP3" still had fire beats, along with most of "MCHG", albiet they were far from his prime in terms of rapping and songwriting. The Vol Series was a natural progression leading up to the BP, then you had AG after KC, which wasn't that much of a drastic steep in quality compared to BP 3 onwards to MCHG.

Each album excluding maybe 2, all had very consistent, high quality production if you're arguing your point on music. The irony is Kanye didn't have a lot to do with that either, and was purely good timing on the music direction during that section of his career.

If you meant his emceeing and songwriting, that's harder to substantiate. His decline began after BP 2 (One disc is dope, the other is mostly filler. Overall, good album, but it's clear he did it more to be commercial than balance). Because on Vol 1-3 (all 3 varied on these aspects which is impressive in execution), he still was lyrical and technical as fukk and on BP, he balanced out his cons for the most part. He was more modern and had more of a background behind who he was, rather than relying on some outdated drug persona (Which he brought back on "American Gangster" to give more history and not exemplary bragging like on "Reasonable Doubt", so it was refreshing).

His unreleased shyt like "People's Court" as a song for one example, was fire too.

When you move on to the Black Album, the transition makes sense from the BP 2, because that was giving way to his "Retirement album", and it would have been a fitting ending to his discography.

He nearly gave you all sides of himself and touched on everything fans wanted him too throughout a 10 year period, which was outstanding. If he didn't make anymore music after TBA, he would be revered much higher than y'all are undermining him atm.

So outside of 1 bad albums, and 2 mediocre ons he dropped this decade, his 3rd decade doesn't discount what he accomplished in his first two. That is far from inconsistency as 2 of them (MCHG and BP 3) arrived at the near end of his career, while KC was a bridge from TBA to the AG. Note, he was personal on "Kingdom Come", as "American Gangster" would provide a clearer lens at the time through all the shyt he went through before making that project.

Nas meanwhile since "It Was Written", fukked up on every other album and is the result of what happens what you cannot stay in your lane and what you're good at.
On "I Am" he tried rapping fast in one instance, on "Nostradamus" he tried being some "spiritual lyrical miracle" type rapper and remaking "It Was Written". The worst part was that nikka dropped those 2 :trash::scust: IN ONE YEAR. DMX and Hov pulled it off, but NOT NAS!?!?!?

"God's Son" was great, but it wasn't a return to form like he demonstrated on "Stillmatic". Then you have "Hip-Hop Is Dead", which was Nas trying to be "Real Rap", like given all this nikka did for trend hopping, he's gonna now do this :umad: to other rappers?

When "Life Is Good" came out after that b*stardized creation that was "Street's Disciple", how is that not the textbook example of inconsistency in Rap?

nastradamus wasn't trying to remake "IWW" at all. what were the "spiritual, miracle" raps on nastradamus? bad album yes, but he wasn't doing anything "lyrical miracle". Life is good came out after street's disciple?
 

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he's def in my top 5 but one of the things i hold against him is his voice, out of the goat contenders there's no question he has the worst voice
 

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he's def in my top 5 but one of the things i hold against him is his voice, out of the goat contenders there's no question he has the worst voice

Eminem's is way worser imo.
It's the only reason I can't listen to his music without cringing.
 
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