Jay-z surpasses Tupac US sales.

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I'll just quote something I posted before in another thread:

"That's how Jay-z managed to get 11 #1 albums in a row too. But people are acting like it's not an accomplishment that Pac got so many people to buy his albums after his death, like they were forced to or something. Like any other artist that died ever had enough quality material left for all their fans to buy millions of albums with new material. Once the quality drops below a certain point, people will stop buying except harcore collectors and you won't sell much. Pac's Life proved that point.

It's just a myth that Pac has sold into the dozens of millions because of the hype of his death. He sold that much because he worked so hard that there was enough quality material left for many albums to be released after his death and the target audience and fanbase that he had built during his lifetime (the same one that bought AEOM) bought all those albums. That's the exact same way that a living artist garners sales as well..

It's a myth that Pac started selling millions more after his death than during his lifetime. He had just reached a new level of fame during his lifetime and was about to sell more than he did with his first few albums with each new consecutive album. That's how all artists pre-internet and even now often get on. It's not usual to go multi-platinum on your debut. Snoop could sell that much because of his exposure on The Chronic. Eminem partly because of exposure from 2001 etc.
Just because Pac died right after he had reached a whole new audience for him to target, doesn't mean the hype of his death created those sales.

Here's a telling FACT: All Eyez On Me (released while he was alive) sold more in its first two months than did Killuminati in its first two months, and that's even taking into account that AEOM was a double album and only sold half of its certifications. You tell me what you're basing the claims of his hyped up sales on..
This happened much more with Biggie's LAD than with Pac's albums. I thought numbers didn't lie to you guys?"

Also, it's silly to compare Jay's first albums with Pac's first albums as they were released in different times and they came up in different ways. How 'bout just comparing Jay's peak years to Pac's sales then. Even when Pac was already dead he outsold Jay-z between 1996-2002 when Jay was peaking. Without being there to promote his albums, with material recorded years before and, again, without selling more per album than he already did with AEOM or was on pace to do (when compared to Greatest Hits), Pac still sold more cd's than Jay-Z during his glory years. Meanwhile Pac hasn't been able to release an album in years and Jay-Z still hasn't caught up with him.

Those numbers don't lie.
 
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Nelly being at number 4 (which is no surprise to me) should put this whole debate into perspective....if you ain't making money off the album sales, who gives a shyt?
 

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Pac's 1st 5 Vs Jay's 1st 5

2AN - Gold
S4MN - Platinum
MATW - 2x Platinum
AEOM - 9x Platinum
M7DT - 4x Platinum

= 16.5x Platinum


RD - Platinum
Vol 1 - Platinum
Vol 2 - 5x Platinum
Vol 3 - 3x Platinum
Dyansty - 2x Platinum

=12x Platinum


The Defense Rest. Jay is an amazing seller but Pac had an amazing run over a short time spand.

Not really, this list only works if you could tabulate the sales of those albums within those 5 year periods in which most of the sales would happen. That doesn't account for the millions of then kids like me who bought Pac's albums after the fact. With that said, Pac dying obviously had a lot to do with his sales. But he's still arguably the GOAT. Frivolous argument.
 

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Pac was only rapping for 4 and half years. How long was eminem and Jay rapping for? :mjpls:

Pac couldn't go on tour and promote the albums that were released after he passed. :mjpls:

:salute: Pac.
 

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Wasnt most of pac's sales after he died
If we are to believe @AlldayNE #'s he sold x10.5 as many albums when he died. Death didn't matter tho :mjpls:
So gold and platinum is flopping now? AEOM didn't go 5x plat it's first two months? :rudy:

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AEOM was his 5th album. You aren't accounting the sales of his first 3 albums within the time frame they were released. Fact is 3 albums in dude couldn't go plat until the New York controversy, that's a fact.

107 isn't a made up number guy... That's Pac's WW numbers compared to Jay's... try again

:umad:

:leon: Verifiable source should be easy to come by then...

or you on that @Nomad1 wave? :lolbron:
 
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Pac only sold records because he died? How come Biggie hasn't sold as much? :leon:

You do realize Biggie only dropped 4 LP's. 2 of them were cut and paste and he sold Half of what Pac and Jay did and they have double digit albums. Biggie was already on track to be one of Hip Hop Biggest sellers ever. Sh!t he already is.
 

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Not really, this list only works if you could tabulate the sales of those albums within those 5 year periods in which most of the sales would happen. That doesn't account for the millions of then kids like me who bought Pac's albums after the fact. With that said, Pac dying obviously had a lot to do with his sales. But he's still arguably the GOAT. Frivolous argument.

Even if I take out 7day theory since he died. He sold 5 Million of "All Eyes on Me" before his death (2.5 Double LP) so if we went by that he's about right at Jay numbers. But the same way people are saying "Death" and the Biggie Beef is the only reason Pac sold. Well "Death" is the only reason Jay Z sold too. Cause he didn't start selling till the only Christopher he acknowledges stopped breathing. The Bottom line is by "All Eyes On Me" Pac was a HUGE Force in Hip Hop. Jay Z even during the "Hard Knock Life" era wasn't bigger than Pac during the "All Eyes on Me" era.
 

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If we are to believe @AlldayNE #'s he sold x10.5 as many albums when he died. Death didn't matter tho :mjpls:

Pac had sold 35.7 million albums world wide while he was alive. 75+ million after he died. Death wasn't the only reason, if you're trying to say that, explain why Biggie didn't have the same effect. They both died around the same time, over the same beef right? Explain that
 
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Pac had sold 35.7 million albums world wide while he was alive. 75+ million after he died. Death wasn't the only reason, if you're trying to say that, explain why Biggie didn't have the same effect. They both died around the same time, over the same beef right? Explain that

:heh: :russ: :dead: He didn't even sell 10 mill stateside, as for the other 25.7 you gonna need to holla @Nomad1 for his source :youngsabo:

Biggies went from a dude going double plat in life to diamond in death :patrice: that's a HUGE increase in sales....Seems like the exact same effect to me
 
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