Jay-Z the same age as these 80s rappers. Why didn't Jay make it in the 80s?
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IllmaticDelta
Veteran
go to 18:18->20:00 for your answer
DontEemTry
Superstar
Rosario Dawson was clappin a little too hard when Ed said Nas spanked Jay-Z in that battle
He was an artist in the 80s, his first verse was like 86
dude just wasn't that great
Self_Born7
SUN OF MAN
Jay took jazz whole style and ran with it..
KravenMorehead™
Barrel Brothers.®
Slow grind.
It benefitted him cause being an observer he got to witness how the game switched up on artists and make them irrelevant, which is how he learned to switch his style up per album like madonna and LL also did. Same thing that makes people accuse him of wave riding now in retrospect. Some followed his lead, but only so far.
"I came back and it's plain
Y'all nikkaz ain't rappin the same
fukk the flow y'all jackin our slang
I seen the same shyt happen to Kane"
It benefitted him cause being an observer he got to witness how the game switched up on artists and make them irrelevant, which is how he learned to switch his style up per album like madonna and LL also did. Same thing that makes people accuse him of wave riding now in retrospect. Some followed his lead, but only so far.
"I came back and it's plain
Y'all nikkaz ain't rappin the same
fukk the flow y'all jackin our slang
I seen the same shyt happen to Kane"
MBwithadream
All Star
cuz he was too busy getting chased thru the building
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
Rosario Dawson was clappin a little too hard when Ed said Nas spanked Jay-Z in that battle
hes lucky that he didn't drop in the '80s. he would've been an utter flop.
he wouldn't have survived the '80s with his flaws:
- weak voice
- average charisma
- average mic & stage presence
- it was harder to duck battles
- rappers weren't the heads of their crews, so he wouldn't be able to jack his artists' styles & run behind them when he got dissed.
- wouldn't be able to play as many dirty politics behind the scenes
dmx didn't blow until '98.
outkast was b-tier breh. I see you tried to sneak them in the middle on the slick. I'm gonna have to upp that thread now.
he wouldn't have survived the '80s with his flaws:
- weak voice
- average charisma
- average mic & stage presence
- it was harder to duck battles
- rappers weren't the heads of their crews, so he wouldn't be able to jack his artists' styles & run behind them when he got dissed.
- wouldn't be able to play as many dirty politics behind the scenes
dmx didn't blow until '98.
outkast was b-tier breh. I see you tried to sneak them in the middle on the slick. I'm gonna have to upp that thread now.
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DMX made more noise off his verse on "4,3,2,1" in '97 than Jay did with the entirety of "Reasonable Doubt" in '96. Everybody knew DMX was next to blow before "Get At Me Dog" even came out.
Outkast went multi-plat twice in the time it took Jay to hit multi-plat once with "Vol. 2". So....either Jay wasn't that popular until his 3rd album or Outkast wasn't b-tier.
Fred.
4,3,2,1 blew at the very end of '97. you have him in the mix in '96.
this is why you dont base things off sales. outkast was a transcendant laface/arista group that had a base outside of hip-hop. sorta like the fugees who were selling at least 5x more than what outkast sold in '96-98, and you didn't even mention them.
are you gonna really sit here and act like aquemini was even in the same stratosphere as hard knock life in terms of relevance & popularity within hip-hop? come on man.
Jay-Z
DMX
Eminem
GZA
50 Cent
Young Jeezy
Rick Ross
The Clipse
none of these dudes made it big until the were over 25, all of 'em had been rapping for at least 6-7 years prior to that.
BUT DOES IT REALLY MATTER?
DMX
Eminem
GZA
50 Cent
Young Jeezy
Rick Ross
The Clipse
none of these dudes made it big until the were over 25, all of 'em had been rapping for at least 6-7 years prior to that.
BUT DOES IT REALLY MATTER?
SleezyBigSlim
Banned
/thread. And let's be real here, we would never got rapping Jay-Z if Sean Carter wasn't a hustler first.He was pretty successful in the streets, probably saw no reason to rap.
nobody wanted to sign jay he had to put himself on