Jemele Hill discussing her club getting shot up and abortion at 26

[2 Up 2 Down]

Abortion is too normalized in the black community for numerous reasons. I want to see the black abortion rate cut in half

Source?

 

[Voice of Reason]

The worse thing about this is that it's the classic practice of 'treating the symptom' and not the actual cause.

Encourage and support education.

Encourage and support moral sense

Encourage and support marriage

Encourage and support long term thinking over short term gratification

Encourage and support family units

Encourage and support after birth care (subsidized day care, extended maternity AND paternity leave)

That's what the government needs to spend their efforts on.

Ain't nobody advocating for anti-abortion laws saying this.

Address the cause, not the symptoms. Why are women getting abortions? Y'all are tripping if you think women en masse are just treating it like a stop at the office after getting their nails done .

The U.S. ranks 22nd place in the PISA rankings and people really think anti abortion laws will solve the issue. Wtf. We're stupid as fukk, collectively, as a nation.

You are correct conservative cacs need to advocate for economic equality if they want to see the rate go down.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Heartbeats start at 6-7 weeks, which means it’s a living baby at that point, how early you got it.

It's brain and nerve system hasn't even formed yet

 

[Mindfield333]

Is it wrong to not want women to get pregnant unless they are in a stable relationship or marriage to prevent broken families?

Nah it’s not but stable relationship still isn’t married. And if a woman gets a divorce they don’t count those in any statistics about black ppl. She still goes into “single mother” category. I wonder why

 

[Jay Kast]

And it’s truly baffling to me that you’re making these excuses

I didn’t have some special level of sex education I just have basic common sense

People were using abortions as birth time machine condoms. “I don’t think ima get pregnant/I don’t think ima get her pregnant, but if it happens we can just hit the kill switch and start over. It’ll be as if we wore a condom “

Everyone knows this is true but they wanna make the shyt something it’s not

I’m not advocating against abortion. Im advocating against pretending these people aren’t overly impulsive and irresponsible. Im advocating against making excuses and pretending this shyt ain’t easily avoidable.

I don't know why you're replying to my points then. I've never said they weren't unavoidable. I said I am morally against it. I said I'm not for taking that choice away from women.

I'm not making the excuses, these are real reasons people I've heard of and some I knew back in the day use for justification. Is it right? I can't judge the next person for what they don't know because they may not have had the same opportunities as me. We can all say, it's common sense - but one thing that continues to prove itself is that common sense ain't so common.

I'm not a woman, nor am I a man who gets women pregnant all willy-nilly.

There isn't a consistent standard of education in the U.S. when we have deep pockets of poverty and lack of funding in underserved communities.

Focus on that and there will be hardly a need for anti abortion rhetoric. Fix the cause and not the symptom.

 

[Mindfield333]

Plenty of women manage to not get pregnant by a man they aren't married or in a long term relationship with.


A man absolutely has the right to judge if a woman has had multiple abortions from different relationships.

I never claimed you can’t judge them. But that’s why women lie about it & their body count.

 

[Lootha VanDraws]

She looks like Chick Van Barkley here, friend

indeed

 

[xCivicx]

Uh no. Not me. But Black children aren’t being adopted like that either. So what would you like to happen? Them being born into possibly bad conditions to parents that didn’t want them? Or being in foster care? The best care scenario is them being born into a loving home whether it’s their bio family or not. But the odds aren’t in their favor. I can formulate my own opinions so I don’t need to be influenced by Tariq’s bad faith opinions or “the left”. I want more Black Children born but I think choices matter more

You're a white person?

Because that was the "they" in my post

 

[Silkk]

she leaked nudes?

Somebody got em but never put them out. There’s a few celebs like that

 

[Silkk]

link

Mmmmm

 

[xCivicx]

So basically the hope is that by eliminating abortion as an option, it’ll essentially scare people to not having irresponsible unprotected sex. I can see the vision but I highly doubt that will go as planned. We live in an individualistic society, folks are going to do what they want, logic be damned.



Not saying you’re wrong but devils advocate: If a person isn’t responsible enough to be having sex, then what makes them responsible enough to raise a child? And if we agree they aren’t, why do we want them to if there’s other alternatives?

The first alternative would be for them to not have sex

 

[NormanConnors]

Not buying the no regrets story, sorry

 

[xCivicx]

Notice you had absolutely no answer to the inevitable consequences that come along with that.

You cannot legally force someone to 'care'. You can force them to 'take care of' but if the child is missing the most important factor then prepare for more incels and mass shootings.

Not even trying to be mean but dont reply if you dont answer the questions - I specifically asked for answers to 1-4. Your reply demonstrates that you do not take into account how humans work or think.

Saying, dont fukk if you arent ready to take on an 18 year mission is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be followed.

People say that now and are still fukkin why would anyone think that would change. We're biologically programmed to fukk.


@Everythingg "Disagree. Either two parents are held responsible on both sides or the woman gets the choice before and the man after.


I think rape incest and medical emergencies should be the only exceptions (if that). Anything else and you have the state sanctioning the taking of lives. Telling people to kill other humans because they can’t afford them or aren’t ready yet isn’t the way to go.

The reason there are so many orphans is because there’s a lack of accountability/responsibility nowadays. Abortion being there or not won’t change that..."


If abortions aren't allowed it WILL change that number, no? Somehow all of these women will keep their children they never wanted in the first place and raise them lovingly?

None of them will put their babies up for adoption or into the foster care system?

Wrong. Those numbers will CERTAINLY increase.


The thing is, like I said before.. MORALLY I am against it but I can at least think realistically about the ramifications of changing the ability for a woman to decide whether or not she wants an abortion.

You are thinking ideally, without anchor to real life consequences that follow these decisions. You'd have to enact a multitude of new laws governing responsibility to make it make sense. Do you think that will actually happen?

Be real here.

I gave you the simplest most logical solution, at the base level

Your response is just a word salad

I also never said that there's NO reason to have an abortion

It just shouldnt be as easy as a starbucks run

 

[Mindfield333]

You're a white person?

Because that was the "they" in my post

No.
Ppl seen me before on here. Well more so from sohh… those I follow on ig & twitter

 

[xCivicx]

No.
Ppl seen me before on here. Well more so from sohh… those I follow on ig & twitter

Then that post wasnt aimed at you