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The biggest ballers I know are Jews and Arabs... Period...


Arabs are like rappers when it comes to stuntin. I'm pro black but those numbers don't lie, American negroes better step their game up. We are the richest out of all the black groups in the world but we don't own sh1t. Everytime I try to start something with a brotha that could end in some commas, the niccas always backs out but is all with it and talk all that big sh1t when the blunt getting passed.

I said fukk it and started getting into real estate alone but I wish a few of my friends were down so we could pool our money and come up. It was easier when I was 15 and everybody was puttin in to get a pound of weed but these same niccas won't put down on some property or something.
 
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I agree with everything here, but you seem to underestimate the ability of congress. The federal reserve is subject to congresses oversight and derives its ability entirely from congressional statutes. Remember, the federal reserve is forced to operate under laws that must be passed by the congress, so by all means they have true control.



You're misinterpreting the duel mandates. No entity can "eliminate" a business cycle or bank runs, so expecting the federal reserve to do so is kind of ridiculous. Now, unless you're insinuating that printing money when economically necessary, federal banking regulations (by the FOCM) .e.t.c. is useless, there is no way in you can be against money printing or federally organised banking.

The fed is supposed to prevent bank runs of its member banks. That is one of its purposes, to avoid panics. The fed is also to use its monetary practices to maintain a stable economy.

" The failure of the nation’s banking system to effectively provide funding to troubled depository institutions contributed significantly to the economy’s vulnerability to financial panics. Short-term credit is an important source of liquidity when a bank experiences unexpected and widespread withdrawals during a financial panic. A particularly severe crisis in 1907 prompted Congress to establish the National Monetary Commission, which put forth proposals to create an institution that would help prevent and contain financial disruptions of this kind. After considerable debate, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act “to provide for the establishment of Federal reserve banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, and for other purposes.” - federalreserve.gov


As far as our recent administrations of easing, yes they have helped, to say they haven't is akin to saying a reduction in interest rates does not spur economic growth even in the slightest (QE reduces interest rates). Low interest rates may not be the sole catalyst of a recovery, but they certainly help.

Come on now, you're using examples of some countries that printed in severe excess of their aggregate growth. Just because some nations employ asinine monetary policies doesn't mean we must follow suit. True, sht does happen (lol), but its best for everyone if we can at least some what buffer any damage expected to occur.

The gold standard does well to induce price stability, but it really means nothing in the face of a severe speculative attack as history has taught us. In the case of a severe speculative attack under a gold standard, where does our monetary base for economic expansion come from? how do we allow for economic growth/recovery, especially during a depressive state? The gold standard limits us to much and is exactly why the gold standard was left in the past. We must be able to expand our monetary base when under severe economic pressure.

The point in having a free market is that it corrects itself over time. When you have irrational exuberance the goal is not to keep the party going. The economy will contract or take a fall. The lesson is that, hopefully, in the future people learn from their mistakes. If this is not allowed to happen, then these events will continue to happen. Necessary parts of the economy will still grow in spite of the downturn, just not as quickly. However those over speculated parts will shrink to an acceptable market level.

Of course resources are consumed more often during economic growth, this will happen whatever type of monetary policy we use, so I'm not sure why you bought that up. As for printing, inflation and hyper inflation, not all cases of money printing/money supplying results in stagflation or hyper stagflation.

Like I said we are coming to two different conclusions. This is not economic growth, this is money printing. There is a difference. More money does not growth create. lol

Growth comes from new ideas, new inventions, new production, expanding markets, new scientific discoveries, new resource finds, etc. If none of these things are happening, then that very money printing is very speculative. Growth doesn't automatically come because someone says print more money. Printing money causes resources that would not have been used to be used up. This is not growth, this is recklessness.

Nothing new has been added for the good of the world, just paper. In the short term everyone feels good, but in the long term you realized that you cut down all the trees because PAPER made it more affordable to do so. Economic growth must come from a growing economy, not growing paper.

How many more houses, schools, railroads, highways can be built. Moreover, because paper can be produced in abundance there is no limit to how much real resources can be used up from the abundance of paper. There is a limit, however, to how much resources are available to the Earth's 7 Billion residents.

To explain briefly, if the aggregate value of a currency steadily increases and economic expansion occurs (though printing money if need be), the only type of inflation experienced then is the "good" demand-pull kind that inevitably occurs during economic expansion. Money printing isn't intrinsically bad as such, in fact it can help us in desperate times as explained, but it need to be managed correctly like you said.

Lastly, you're making a common mistake by assuming currency is just "a piece of paper", what is designated on the paper and its resulting demand/supply also denotes its value. For, example a blank canvas isn't worth much, right? Now if I present to you a canvas with an original drawing by Leonardo di ser Piero da Vincion on it, it is no longer just a "blank canvas" is it? It becomes a complementary item of relatively higher value, this concept is applicable to money floated on a market as well, the strike on the "paper" denotes its value, not just the paper itself.

Our main disagreement comes from how recessions/depressions should be managed. My view is that they should not be managed. Your view is that the Fed can manage them with monetary policy that can produce economic activity. I don't believe that is accurate. After a recession or depression the market will self-correct. Yes, it will hurt some, but it will do it all by itself without any intervention.

The currency IS just a piece of paper. The only way the currency has value is because the government mandated that it is "legal tender for all debts public and private". Otherwise the value of that paper is nil. However, since it is legal tender the only other factor that gives it value is its relative scarcity. LOL

The Federal Reserve is in charge of managing its scarcity, which also gives it its value. Too much and it is less valuable. Too little and it is worth more. Resources are valued for their scarcity, which is why I say that printing too much money actually devalues resources. This is a power no one should have, especially since it is ineffective. Computers have made it infinitely easier for the Fed to debase the money. It is absolutely ridiculous. :beli:
 

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The fed is supposed to prevent bank runs of its member banks. That is one of its purposes, to avoid panics. The fed is also to use its monetary practices to maintain a stable economy.

" The failure of the nation’s banking system to effectively provide funding to troubled depository institutions contributed significantly to the economy’s vulnerability to financial panics. Short-term credit is an important source of liquidity when a bank experiences unexpected and widespread withdrawals during a financial panic. A particularly severe crisis in 1907 prompted Congress to establish the National Monetary Commission, which put forth proposals to create an institution that would help prevent and contain financial disruptions of this kind. After considerable debate, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act “to provide for the establishment of Federal reserve banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States, and for other purposes.” - federalreserve.gov

You've missed my point. I know exactly why the federal reserve was established, my point is that no entity, including the federal reserve, can stop recessions or bank runs from taking place. They can lessen the chances or magnitude of the occurrence, but they cant absolutely stop them from happening. The feds have use their monetary policies to make sure our economy is more stable than it would have been provided those policies hadn't been in place, so unless you’re suggesting, interest rate manipulation, federal banking regulations, reserve requirements .e.t.c. haven’t helped keep things steady, why are you disagreeing with me?

The point in having a free market is that it corrects itself over time. When you have irrational exuberance the goal is not to keep the party going. The economy will contract or take a fall. The lesson is that, hopefully, in the future people learn from their mistakes. If this is not allowed to happen, then these events will continue to happen. Necessary parts of the economy will still grow in spite of the downturn, just not as quickly. However those over speculated parts will shrink to an acceptable market level.

That isn't the case, a recession/depression cannot correct itself. Recession/depressions are preventive by nature; an organisation that is barely breaking even is not all of a sudden going to start employing people, people that are out of work aren't all of a sudden going to create income out of nowhere to spend, entrepreneurs that have lost their business and income aren't all of a suddenly going to be able to fund expansive ideas that help everyone. There must be a catalyst, monetary intervention is that catalyst.

Like I said we are coming to two different conclusions. This is not economic growth, this is money printing. There is a difference. More money does not growth create. Lol

It doesn't always, but it definitely can, in fact many economists such as Barry Eichengreen believe that the lack of ability to create money and expand our monetary base prolonged the great depression. Being able to increase monetary base allows us to devalue money, therefore reducing the cost of borrowing, which of course promotes spending, in turn promoting employment and economic growth. That is the entire point of easing. As I've said before, money creation should be governed properly because an irresponsible monetary policy is as bad as any recession, but to call the ability to print money a hindrance is wrong.

Growth comes from new ideas, new inventions, new production, expanding markets, new scientific discoveries, new resource finds, etc. If none of these things are happening, then that very money printing is very speculative. Growth doesn't automatically come because someone says print more money. Printing money causes resources that would not have been used to be used up. This is not growth, this is recklessness.

Nothing new has been added for the good of the world, just paper. In the short term everyone feels good, but in the long term you realized that you cut down all the trees because PAPER made it more affordable to do so. Economic growth must come from a growing economy, not growing paper.

How many more houses, schools, railroads, highways can be built. Moreover, because paper can be produced in abundance there is no limit to how much real resources can be used up from the abundance of paper. There is a limit, however, to how much resources are available to the Earth's 7 Billion residents.

I’m obviously not advocating senseless printing or infinite printing lol. Im suggesting that in a case where our money reserves lack as they did during 1931, we should be able to print more. History has proven that taking away the ability to print money does nothing but extended depressions and cause more suffering. As stated before, growth/innovation is seriously stifled within a depressed economy, we need a catalyst that will enable our economy to get to a condition where substantial growth and those things you talked about are most likely to happen.

Our main disagreement comes from how recessions/depressions should be managed. My view is that they should not be managed. Your view is that the Fed can manage them with monetary policy that can produce economic activity. I don't believe that is accurate. After a recession or depression the market will self-correct. Yes, it will hurt some, but it will do it all by itself without any intervention.

Name one historical instance in which a depression/recession has desisted without the use of government intervention.

The currency IS just a piece of paper. The only way the currency has value is because the government mandated that it is "legal tender for all debts public and private". Otherwise the value of that paper is nil. However, since it is legal tender the only other factor that gives it value is its relative scarcity. LOL

The Federal Reserve is in charge of managing its scarcity, which also gives it its value. Too much and it is less valuable. Too little and it is worth more. Resources are valued for their scarcity, which is why I say that printing too much money actually devalues resources. This is a power no one should have, especially since it is ineffective. Computers have made it infinitely easier for the Fed to debase the money. It is absolutely ridiculous. :beli:

The value of money mostly comes from its scarcity (as you've acknowledged) and demand, just like all other objects sold on a market. Every object on the market is subject to the same value mechanism money is, so why is the market value of money such a big issue for you?

There is nothing wrong with the feds controlling the monetary base in my opinion. History has proven that if governments do not control valuable resources, privatized organisations will, so unless all wealth is equally distributed, I don’t see how what you’re suggesting is feasible, because all that would happen is power relocates from those that are most obligated to look out for the people, to those who are least obligated to do so.
 
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You've missed my point. I know exactly why the federal reserve was established, my point is that no entity, including the federal reserve, can stop recessions or bank runs from taking place. They can lessen the chances or magnitude of the occurrence, but they cant absolutely stop them from happening. The feds have use their monetary policies to make sure our economy is more stable than it would have been provided those policies hadn't been in place, so unless you’re suggesting, interest rate manipulation, federal banking regulations, reserve requirements .e.t.c. haven’t helped keep things steady, why are you disagreeing with me?

I am suggesting that none of these things work to achieve the "statutory objectives" of the fed as outlined in the dual mandate.

That isn't the case, a recession/depression cannot correct itself. Recession/depressions are preventive by nature; an organisation that is barely breaking even is not all of a sudden going to start employing people, people that are out of work aren't all of a sudden going to create income out of nowhere to spend, entrepreneurs that have lost their business and income aren't all of a suddenly going to be able to fund expansive ideas that help everyone. There must be a catalyst, monetary intervention is that catalyst.

You make me laugh... like this :bryan:.

Markets do not need intervention, markets operate by the hidden hand, no central control and oversight needed. When a market suddenly contracts, it will self-correct. A market may enter a recession or a depression because capital was allocated into inefficient areas. Once capital has a chance to re-allocate to viable industries then the market will correct itself.

For example, a war creates a lot of jobs and offers a lot of production in certain industries. This is considered a boom. When the war is over, people will lose jobs. This is considered a bust. Companies who weren't prepared for the end of the war may go out of business. A lot of companies going out of business at the same time may cause banks to collapse. Obviously the capital allocated to war munitions is too much once the war is over. These industries are over capitalized in comparison with market demand and future growth. These industries may have a lot of debt and not enough customers to help pay the debt. They go out of business and their assets are seized to pay those debts. Once they pay the banks or lenders back through the liquidation of those assets, those banks and lenders can now provide loans to businesses that will actually make money like Automobile Manufacturers. Those automobile manufacturers and parts suppliers employ more people. All is well in the world again. This is how the market behaves and self-corrects, no Federal Reserve needed. :gladbron:

Yes, some capital will be lost. Yes, it will take time. However, wealth does not come from paper, it comes from assets. Capital will be found again, provided there are enough assets to provide collateral. That is my view. I know it doesn't always work like that, but perpetual money printing is not necessary for a recovery.

It doesn't always, but it definitely can, in fact many economists such as Barry Eichengreen believe that the lack of ability to create money and expand our monetary base prolonged the great depression. Being able to increase monetary base allows us to devalue money, therefore reducing the cost of borrowing, which of course promotes spending, in turn promoting employment and economic growth. That is the entire point of easing. As I've said before, money creation should be governed properly because an irresponsible monetary policy is as bad as any recession, but to call the ability to print money a hindrance is wrong.

I do not like most modern economists.

When you devalue the money supply you rob the poor of spending power. The rich do not feel it much, but the poor certainly do.

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That lower dollar value puts working Americans in a weaker position to compete with the purchase of goods with other nations that have stronger currencies. Inflation hurts the poor, but a weak currency helps no one, UNLESS you are a exporting nation. However, only 12 million Americans work in manufacturing. So the country as a whole is not benefiting from a weak dollar. Our weak dollar and our ever rising prices (inflation) could not be possible without the fed, since they are free from the ballot box and free from true government intervention they can pretty much do what they want.

This way of stimulating a recovery doesn't work. A recovery should come from savings. The federal reserve has perverted the concept of saving and borrowing, so that it doesn't have real meaning anymore. They are the market gods. Economic growth cannot be stimulated with more money, it must be organic.

I’m obviously not advocating senseless printing or infinite printing lol. Im suggesting that in a case where our money reserves lack as they did during 1931, we should be able to print more. History has proven that taking away the ability to print money does nothing but extended depressions and cause more suffering. As stated before, growth/innovation is seriously stifled within a depressed economy, we need a catalyst that will enable our economy to get to a condition where substantial growth and those things you talked about are most likely to happen.

You are not an advocate for senseless printing, but you do want to leave the fate of our country in the hands of a few people. The federal reserve has the ability to destroy this nation with a few bad policies that they can sell to the nation disguised as great and noble intentions. Any entity with the power to expand and contract the money supply at will should eliminated.

Name one historical instance in which a depression/recession has desisted without the use of government intervention.

I do not have that information. By government intervention do you mean the federal reserve? There were plenty of recessions and depressions and the gov't at the time didn't issue a new round of quantitative easing. I would say any recessions or depressions before the Federal Reserve aligned itself without much government intervention. I may be wrong.




The value of money mostly comes from its scarcity (as you've acknowledged) and demand, just like all other objects sold on a market. Every object on the market is subject to the same value mechanism money is, so why is the market value of money such a big issue for you?

My issue is that goods have value, currency doesn't. My other issues with it are in my previous posts.

There is nothing wrong with the feds controlling the monetary base in my opinion. History has proven that if governments do not control valuable resources, privatized organisations will, so unless all wealth is equally distributed, I don’t see how what you’re suggesting is feasible, because all that would happen is power relocates from those that are most obligated to look out for the people, to those who are least obligated to do so.

I do not understand.
 
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