Joe Biden is easily the best candidate on the Democratic side in terms of winning

[DirtyD]

trump would wash bernie in 2020 for the simple fact that he'll be running on raising everyone's taxes and i was a bernie stan

One need only look at the amounts that working and middle-class people took home as a result of the tax cuts to see that this is false.

Speaker Paul D. Ryan faced a backlash on Saturday after he pointed to a secretary’s $1.50 weekly increase in take-home pay as a sign of the Republican tax plan’s success.

“A secretary at a public high school in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, said she was pleasantly surprised her pay went up $1.50 a week ... she said [that] will more than cover her Costco membership for the year,” Mr. Ryan posted on Twitter, sharing an Associated Press report about paycheck increases under the $1.5 trillion tax overhaul.

Mr. Ryan deleted the Twitter post in hours, however, after lawmakers and social media users criticized him for appearing out of touch.

“That tweet about the $1.50 a week is not a PR mistake,” Senator Brian Schatz, Democrat of Hawaii, wrote on Twitter. “It is really what they think.”

Paul Ryan Deletes Tweet Lauding a $1.50 Benefit From the New Tax Law

Two months after Republicans passed sweeping tax legislation, just a quarter of Americans report seeing a change in their paychecks. Unsurprisingly, those on the higher end of the pay scale are likelier to have noticed an increase in their take-home pay, compared to those at the lower end.

Poll: most Americans aren’t noticing a tax cut in their paychecks

 

[acri1]

everybody is getting carried away and looking at 2020 when 2018 isn't even out of the way yet.... let me put it to you guys as blunt and honestly as i possibly can, the democrats better have a kick ass showing in november or trump will win reelection.... if we don't take back some governorships and state houses, the reps will gerrymander and do more voter suppression in 2020 and trump will squeak by again, while republicans entrench themselves further....

2018, let's not lose site of the prize... we have to gain back control of some of these swing states... then let's focus on 2020....

I think there's a pretty good chance that Trump isn't president in 2020 if Dems take the House.

But if not...it's a wrap unless the recession hits before 2020.

 

[the cac mamba]

One need only look at the amounts that working and middle-class people took home as a result of the tax cuts to see that this is false.



Paul Ryan Deletes Tweet Lauding a $1.50 Benefit From the New Tax Law




Poll: most Americans aren’t noticing a tax cut in their paychecks

why do you guys always overestimate the intelligence of the american people the average voter doesn't carry the vast intellect of HL posters. this country isn't going for bernie straight off trump

 

[Serious]

He would get metood
Probably

definitely could see biden having some skeletons in his closet.

 

[DirtyD]

why do you guys always overestimate the intelligence of the american people the average voter doesn't carry the vast intellect of HL posters. this country isn't going for bernie straight off trump

I don't think Bernie should run or be the candidate but his millionaires and billionaires schtick works well with people in the rust belt, which is where Dems need to make strides.

 

[King Static X]

Bernie also shouldn't run in 2020. He'll be 79 on Election Day and he'll turn 80 in his first year in office. Who wants an 80 year old President?


Also, he still wouldn't win the primary.

 

[Triipe]

I can't shake the idea that Spitzer is really a great option in spite of his past.

He made no apology for his pervasiveness as a pundit, first joking: “Public speaking? I speak to myself on the street!” Then he grew earnest. “You can view it as pure selfishness and hedonism,” he said. “But I care about this stuff. Obviously it’s more rewarding to participate when you can do something about it — which is why I loved and sorely miss the jobs I had.”

Show me a politician that called out the FED, ya there ain't none cause they don't have the gall to stand up to the money


fukk it, i'm starting the campaign now, Spitzer 2020

 

[mc_brew]

I think there's a pretty good chance that Trump isn't president in 2020 if Dems take the House.

you're far more optimistic than i am... i think trump serves out his full term even if the dems take the house... i doubt trump is impeached, but even if he was he'd have to be convicted in the senate by 2/3 majority... i don't see 67 senators doing that... that's a moot point anyhow... if we don't win the house and some governorships and state legislatures, like you said, it's a guarantee trump wins reelection.... we need to focus on 2018...

But if not...it's a wrap unless the recession hits before 2020.

i think trump can be beat in 2020 even if he is still in office, but dems can't let reps control swing states...

2000 = florida, jeb bush (r)....
2016 = wisconsin, scott walker (r), michigan, rick snyder (r), and ohio, john kasich (r)....

we're not learning anything if we let republicans keep winning all the down ballot races... it's so important to win downstream (and reps recognize this) that you can even get a clown like trump elected if you control enough areas...

g+v=t:
gerrymandering + voter suppression = trump presidency

please people, get out and vote in november....

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

definitely could see biden having some skeletons in his closet.

Dude has already been vetted, if something happened I think it would have came out by now. Also as cac mamba pointed out, Trump is the poster child of skeletons, so he negates any argument about scandals.

 

[johnedwarduado]

Any politician except bernie sanders and hillary clinton.

 

[FAH1223]

Chris Murphy and Sherrod Brown are my top picks for folks who can beat Trump outside of Biden, so I don't think I'd say he is the only one.

I like Brown, he'd speak to the Midwest and carry Ohio. He's also against bad trade deals which would play well.

But if we're talking about taking on power, the only Democrat running in 2020 who has a record of that is Warren.

 

[Shogun]

Also think that noone with a possible future in politics is going to want to risk their career getting into the ring with Trump.

 

[Pressure]

Also think that noone with a possible future in politics is going to want to risk their career getting into the ring with Trump.

You think?

I get where you're coming from, but in 2020 I feel like you're not really campaigning against Trump as a Dem, but instead campaigning for your constituents.

You know, energized base and voter turnout

 

[cheek100]

Basta ftw

 

[storyteller]

DAVID SIROTA: Joe Biden has been working on bankruptcy legislation for the last three decades. He got into the Senate in the 1970s. He was on the Judiciary Committee. There began to be a push in the 1970s to reduce courts’ ability to lower student debt in bankruptcy court, starting in the 1970s. It started with government loans. There was a push in the 1970s to say that students would have to wait five years from graduating to be able to seek bankruptcy protections for their government loans. That was a bill that Joe Biden helped craft. He was on the conference committee. There was a series of other bills through the 1980s and into the 1990s in which Joe Biden worked on the same set of issues, lengthening the amount of time students would have to wait to be able to access bankruptcy protections for educational debt. And then, as you noted, into the late 1990s and the 2000s, there was this push by Biden—he was a key Democrat pushing the bankruptcy bill that was ultimately signed by President George W. Bush that eliminated the ability of most Americans to seek bankruptcy protections not only for their government loans, but also for their private student loans. So that was a big—a big objective of the private lenders. At the time, over his career, Joe Biden has raised about $2 million from the financial sector, while he’s been sculpting these bills. And again, he played the key role throughout the last three decades in the Democratic Party—really, in Congress—pushing these bills. Elizabeth Warren issued a paper, when she wasn’t in the Senate, when she was a professor, talking about how pivotal Joe Biden was in pushing these laws to, again, make it more difficult for students to reduce their student debt when they are in bankruptcy court. It really puts a prohibition on the judges themselves, saying you really can’t lower student debt, like you can most other forms of debt, when you are in bankruptcy court.

This, Joe Biden makes sense until you actually look at his record before latching on to the Obama ticket. When that stuff comes out, he's dead in the water.